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PostPosted: 23:11 - 01 Feb 2005    Post subject: Iridium Tipped Spark Plugs Reply with quote

Anyone had any experiences with these?

I brought one from SparkPlugs, just to see if it made any difference.

If you are unfamiliar with it, they are standard plugs with the tip made from Iridium (stronger, better conductor) instead of copper. More info here

On my 2T tzr i can feel a noticeable difference in acceleration and throttle response, plus the fact that it warms up faster and does not need the choke as long.

I did bugger up the YPVS and the powervalve got stuck open, causing the bike to be derestricted, this however made the bike incredibly fast acceleration (at higher revs, absolutely nothing lower down) and is quite sensitive at the higher rev ranges.

I put the powervalve back to standard setting (see other post - workshop) and then it was fine.

Mine cost £6 plus p+p and tax for a BR9EIX (equivalent of BR9ES) so it was £10 from SparkPlugs.co.uk.

Anybody else notice any difference?
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 01 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 00:44 - 02 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

There supposed to last longer, but i dont know if I believe it yet. Twin tipped plugs are the only thing I have noticed a difference with, and they still arn't really worth it.
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PostPosted: 01:49 - 02 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I have heard from fairly independent sources that they work very well on the Aprilia / Rotax engines and give a noticeable improvement in performance. Not sure how they can though.

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PostPosted: 02:41 - 02 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

I got hold of one for my XR600R in a last ditch effort to make it easier to start when hot - kick-start only and brute to start when it's hot Sad

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I can't comment on their ability to improve performance but one other advantage is that you can run a cooler grade of plug as the "fine wire" type plugs are much less prone to fouling. This is handy if you're running non standard ignition timing etc and your engine has a tendency to run a little hot.
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 02 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will be fitting 4 of them to my ZX-6R as soon as my bike goes in for it's 12,000km service I have heard they are worth the extra money because they increase spark size due to a smaller electrode tip producing a cleaning action each time the spark fires which maintains a healthier plug in terms of premature fowling I can see how this would increase performance closer to the end of a standard plug life expectancy because the iridium tip should stay cleaner longer Exclamation
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 02 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they provide a stronger spark and foul less, that should give a better combustion. A stronger (bigger) spark should ignite the mixture better (faster flame speed and hopefully more complete combustion), and less carbon fouling to glow red hot and cause pre-heating/ pre-ignition will give you better burning. It's all about the burn rate, though that's also largely controlled by the mixing and vapourisation of the fuel. Less carbon fouling will keep the plug running better for longer, which obviously is something you'd notice too.

I suppose it's like brake pad ingredients, a little bit of black magic. Smile
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 02 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember that you can't use a feeler gauge in iridium plugs either.

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PostPosted: 13:31 - 02 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zoffo wrote:
Remember that you can't use a feeler gauge in iridium plugs either.


Opps.

Why not?
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 02 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Takes the iridium coating off. They come as standard in my Blackbird and the Honda manual insists that feeler gauges are not used.
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 02 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yer i got a note with mine advising me not to regap it either.
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 02 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

AFAIK, and I have this from "Four Stroke Performance Tuning, A. Graham Bell" that a spark plug can not possibly make an engine producer more power or better throttle response.

He insists quite forcefully that the only difference from one spark plug to the next is lifespan and temperature rating. And im inclined to agree - A spark is a spark.

Ofcourse, if your existing spark plugs were the wrong temperature rating and caused preignition or the wrong gap size, that would be a different matter.
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 02 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am now thinking all i would probably get is smoother running and better fuel consumption, as ive looked in the tank and i have loads more fuel than I would have if i had the old plug on.

However if it does require less power than a standard plug, then it will help as i have aftermarket tailight and indicators that draw loads of power off the battery.
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 02 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I agree. Once it has lit the mixture then that is its job done. I cannot see how it can have any effect on the flame speed (beyond screwing it up if the electrode is too shrowded).

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PostPosted: 16:05 - 02 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

simon1221 wrote:
...if it does require less power than a standard plug, then it will help as i have aftermarket tailight and indicators that draw loads of power off the battery.

Your alternator must be in poor condition then or else you've lots of electrical stuff on the bike! When running the alternator provides all the electric, any excess is put into the battery. If any more is required then it's supplemented from the battery. Only really should have problems if you're drawing from the battery but not running at high enough revs for long enough for the alternator to put it back into the battery.

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PostPosted: 17:06 - 02 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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I agree. Once it has lit the mixture then that is its job done. I cannot see how it can have any effect on the flame speed (beyond screwing it up if the electrode is too shrowded).

All the best

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Oh, I know the flame speed is mainly controlled by the quality and completeness of the mixture, but if you have a higher power spark, then perhaps you'll get a larger/ better? initial flame kernel?

I'm hardly trying to defend them, just trying to work out why they apparently can improve performance. It would make more sense to me to just advance the ignition instead or improve the gas flow to get better mixing and higher pressures like that.

The point I made about carbon deposits causing pre-ignition and charge pre-heating still stands though. Hence it's not a performance increase, but a lack of performance decrease.

I've not really much time for fancy pants spark plugs and similar tarty tat considering they cost that much more and don't do anything differently that I can see.
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 02 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
simon1221 wrote:
...if it does require less power than a standard plug, then it will help as i have aftermarket tailight and indicators that draw loads of power off the battery.

Your alternator must be in poor condition then or else you've lots of electrical stuff on the bike! When running the alternator provides all the electric, any excess is put into the battery.


Mainly because I only do short runs, but the indicators are a bit dim sometimes. Running off the alternator then.
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 02 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchaggis wrote:
Oh, I know the flame speed is mainly controlled by the quality and completeness of the mixture, but if you have a higher power spark, then perhaps you'll get a larger/ better? initial flame kernel?


Maybe, but I would strongly suspect that this is only true to a limited extent, and I suspect ignition systems passed this point years ago.

mchaggis wrote:
I'm hardly trying to defend them, just trying to work out why they apparently can improve performance. It would make more sense to me to just advance the ignition instead or improve the gas flow to get better mixing and higher pressures like that.


It would not surprise me if they have an effect by affecting the ignition timing.

On the other hand I sold my old MBX125 to a friend who did kart racing. He used one of his Autolite kart racing plugs in it (suitable temperature range). Fouled up badly round town due to the electrode design, but the bike revved out 1000rpm further. Mind you, burnt the cdi unit out as well. Neutral .

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PostPosted: 18:55 - 02 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

A smaller air gap would certainly make them spark sooner, advancing the ignition. Decreasing the resistance would lower the voltage needed to get a spark I think too. The resistance might not go up as much when they get hot either.

I wonder if they're really just cheating and advancing the timing. Thinking

They do go on about the shape of their electrodes altering the shape of the combustion kernel however, though why they don't just have 3 earth plugs instead I don't know.

If they could manage to get a more complete combustion by altering the shape of the kernel by the spark characteristics, they'd certainly have a case for what they say about fuel consumption too.

I think the main point of them really is that they won't decay and erode as quickly as cheaper plugs, and won't attract carbon fouling as easily. Two-stroke fouling is normally from too much oil I thought however. Question
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 02 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchaggis wrote:
A smaller air gap would certainly make them spark sooner, advancing the ignition. Decreasing the resistance would lower the voltage needed to get a spark I think too. The resistance might not go up as much when they get hot either.


Except that a common trick to generate a larger spark is to put what is effectively a tiny break in the HT lead, or a capacitor. Basically what those things are that are sold to go in your HT leads.

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They do go on about the shape of their electrodes altering the shape of the combustion kernel however, though why they don't just have 3 earth plugs instead I don't know.


3 electrode plugs do not give 3 sparks, they just mean that you have 3 times as much chance of a decent spark plug gap. The spark will still jump across the path of least resistance.

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I think the main point of them really is that they won't decay and erode as quickly as cheaper plugs, and won't attract carbon fouling as easily. Two-stroke fouling is normally from too much oil I thought however. Question


Carbon fouling is mainly going to be down to the heat range, and on a 2 stroke plugs seem to foul up beyond safe use long before they are worn out.

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PostPosted: 20:18 - 02 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah to clarify spark plugs with 2 or 3 prongs do not produce 2 or 3 sparks!

They only ever produce one spark, but because there are three prongs effectively you get 3 times less wear, and therefore the prongs remain clean and good for the current flow.
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 02 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

loply wrote:
Yeah to clarify spark plugs with 2 or 3 prongs do not produce 2 or 3 sparks!


I do know that... Rolling Eyes

I was just thinking about it from the point of view of always being sure of getting the fuel/ air mixture going across the spark properly to be sure to get a properly shaped combustion. You might well not need to, or indeed get any improvement in performance from doing it in a conventional piston engine, but it is neccesary in a Wankel.

What I haven't thought about of course is how the threads of the plug and plughole interact to orient the electrode and earth so that they will be in the flow properly. Of course, with sufficient turbulence, it might be completely unneccesary. All just stuff I never thought about when we did IC engines about 18 months ago.
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