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PostPosted: 20:32 - 12 Jun 2015    Post subject: Whats the big deal with aftermarket exhausts? Reply with quote

Don't want to sound like I'm asking a stupid question here, but if I am then feel free to close the thread, but I just don't see what the big deal is with aftermarket exhausts? I do; however see the point in improving things but for the prices of some of them (Akrapovic and Yoshimura to name a few) is there really an need? Or is it merely for showing off?

I should also say that I am in no way having a go at people with aftermarket exhausts.

Are standard exhausts so shit that they need to be replaced? And if so why don't manufacturers make them better for their flagship models?

Personally I just see an exhaust are something that gets rid of the gases, and don't really care what they look like, but because they are so popular an aftermarket part, I am wondering if I'm missing something.
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 12 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noise and bling factor, typically. There are a few examples of bikes that actively benefit from a non-stock can (although this may be apocryphal), but in the majority, it's because people like the noise and the look of them.
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 12 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

As above. It's looks and sound for the street bike.

Manufacturers do what they have to do to get it through the legal hoops. We undo their good work Cool
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 12 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look at this chap. Look at his cheery face. Look at his shiny brown brogues.

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This fine fellow does not have a baffle in his exhaust, and is the happier for it.

Let's leave that sort of underhand wheeze to the scheming, joyless Hun.
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 12 Jun 2015    Post subject: exhausts Reply with quote

Standard exhausts are pretty good nowadays but most weigh a fecking ton I think a lot of people change for the sound and the weight saving
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 12 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

touch of the "The Kings's New Clothes "... me thinks ...
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 12 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a bike with a mild steel exhaust it is inevitable.

The main benefits otherwise is noise and weight.
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 12 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never really got this weight thing if you aren't racing. I saved 5kg on my busa changing the stock pipes to titanium Scorpions but the only difference I could really notice when riding was sound.

Anyway my present bike weighs 300kg, I don't think knocking a few kg off is going to make much difference. Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 12 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't want to get rid of my FZS 600 exhaust for saving weight. It just sounds like a turd in a washing machine.

Sound means a lot to motor enthusiasts. Just try watching motoGP or formula 1 on mute.

I want a nice sound while riding and a bit of presence on the road and for the sake of 300 quid why not if I can afford it. It's not like I'm buying a ford fiesta for 1k and putting 20k worth of shitting sound system in it Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 12 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The stock one on mine is so massive and heavy that if I take it off it will knock the planet off its usual axial tilt and plunge us into a new Ice Age. So I keep it on as a favour to mankind. I'm that nice. And why would I bother, as long as it blows the fumes out at the correct end I am happy with it.

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PostPosted: 22:35 - 12 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Never really got this weight thing if you aren't racing. I saved 5kg on my busa changing the stock pipes to titanium Scorpions but the only difference I could really notice when riding was sound.

Anyway my present bike weighs 300kg, I don't think knocking a few kg off is going to make much difference. Laughing


I lost 7kg off of my Street Triple, it was all high up under the seat, and it definitely makes a difference. Also the bike runs better, has an extra 10bhp or so all the way through the range and looks far better. It's a no brainer really.
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 12 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I changed mine for louder sound and better looks.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 12 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think mostly it's for looks and noise. The carbon capped Akrapovic cans and the Yoshimura R77s, both look really nice on a suitable bike.

Current bike has a Racefit Growler on it and I can be heard about a mile away, my neighbour went off her nut when I came in at 2am a few days ago. Feel a bit guilty, but not enough to change it.
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 12 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Polarbear wrote:
Never really got this weight thing if you aren't racing. I saved 5kg on my busa changing the stock pipes to titanium Scorpions but the only difference I could really notice when riding was sound.

Anyway my present bike weighs 300kg, I don't think knocking a few kg off is going to make much difference. Laughing


I lost 7kg off of my Street Triple, it was all high up under the seat, and it definitely makes a difference. Also the bike runs better, has an extra 10bhp or so all the way through the range and looks far better. It's a no brainer really.


Yes, from under the seat I can understand that and changed my STR exhausts to LeoVince which were better but a low exhaust, not sure that would.
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 12 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I changed the twin underseats on the VFR from the standard Honda boat anchor to Remus Titanium GP and the handling is so much better without the weight up there. That and she sounds like an angry god with that knee trembling V4.

Why? Because I can, and I will.
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PostPosted: 23:23 - 12 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

But messing about with aftermarket or even one off custom exhaust pipes might gain me another 1bhp or so on my KMX, so it's inherently worth spending time and money on them, especially if it's a pipe made up of many rolled cones and welded beautifully, it's a work of art more than a pipe then! Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:21 - 13 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Never really got this weight thing if you aren't racing. I saved 5kg on my busa changing the stock pipes to titanium Scorpions but the only difference I could really notice when riding was sound.

Or off road. 5kg off a 138kg bike when trying to lift it up as it's fallen on the 'wrong' side on a steep slope does make a bit of a difference - if not to picking it up, to the tiredness as you've been riding it throughout the day.

On normal road bikes, I *DO* like a loud exhaust and while I told myself I'd put the stock one back on the zx6, never did.
Never bought a loud exhaust for a road bike (only one I did buy was a secondhand motard to replace the holey original) and generally going for the expensive brands does seem to be akin to buying an expensive watch - it'll tell the time just as well as a cheap Casio, but will be much better at showing off to other people that like expensive watches Smile.

I did buy an Akrapovic for the KTM for £200 - half the new price and only went for the brand because it meant I could get a KTM dealer to install the official 'race' FI settings on there, which made a decent difference (it was the offiical exhaust sold by KTM.)
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PostPosted: 08:49 - 13 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

mainly because the aftermarket replacments are cheaper and batter made then the oe ones

or it is in the case of every one ive bought

£220 for my leo vince stainless steel for my vespa

piaggio wanted £400ish for a genuine replacement that would of rotted again
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PostPosted: 09:01 - 13 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I changed the can on the last Fazer to match in with the carb and air box mods. With those, the bike needed a freer flowing, more efficient can. I actually changed the can before the mods were done, and did notice that it seemed to give a little more go at the top end, possibly losing a little lower down, but not enough to make any big difference.

Plus I liked the look of the replacement can, being a carbon finish which matched in with the carbon speed blocks in the paintwork.

The old can weighed a ton compared to the new, but I couldn't honestly say I noticed the difference while riding. The suspension mods I did made a lot more difference, and if you're going to be improving the handling, a saving of some kgs in weight can't hurt things.

And of course, whilst not being the loudest can available, it did sound much nicer.

But if you don't want to spend the money, nowt wrong with that. Horses for courses and all that good stuff, innit Smile
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 13 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Changed the exhaust on my old bmw boxer to save over 10kg, made it sound like thunder, and getting rid of the catalytic converter gained a couple mpg.

Really, the sound alone was worth it.
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 13 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

jnw010 wrote:
Changed the exhaust on my old bmw boxer to save over 10kg, made it sound like thunder, and getting rid of the catalytic converter gained a couple mpg.

Really, the sound alone was worth it.


Exactly this, you wouldn't believe how much better flat twins can sound without the five metre long end can BMW supplies them with.

I really need to make a video of the homemade exhaust on mine...
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 13 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I had a lot of money I would change the full exhaust system not only to improve sound but also to reduce weight.
That cost more money than I'm willing to spend at the moment - Power Commander, full exhaust system, better flow air filter would very likely cost me quite a lot.
So I only got a new muffler for better sound at reasonable price. The bike is still fairly heavy, but it's the best handling big bike I've ever had anyway.
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 13 Jun 2015    Post subject: Re: Whats the big deal with aftermarket exhausts? Reply with quote

Gazz wrote:
Don't want to sound like I'm asking a stupid question here, but if I am then feel free to close the thread, but I just don't see what the big deal is with aftermarket exhausts? I do; however see the point in improving things but for the prices of some of them (Akrapovic and Yoshimura to name a few) is there really an need? Or is it merely for showing off?

I think its a 'cultural' thing as much as anything.
In ancient times, bikes were built to be 'sturdy' & 'practical', and usually not all that exiting; tuning them for a bit more pep and modding them for better handling, an open up-swept exhaust would give more ground clearance for more exuberant cornering and aid a lumpy cam in getting smoke out the pot for a bit more power.
When the Japs started offering bikes that were slightly more 'interesting' without the price tag of an Italian exotic, the cost cutting saw exhausts made of thin, single skin mild steel, treated with skimpy fitting chrome, that tended to rot out, in UK climates, in about the time it took the first MOT to come due. Jap marketing of those days saw cheap bikes and expensive spares; which buoyed up the aftermarket, and 'pattern' pipes or 'performance' two-stroke expansion chambers and 4 into 1 systems, from folk like Micron or MOTAD (whose comment on the subject could be interesting); 1977 the UK C&U regs first set a decibel limit on exhausts, while in the US emission regulations started to be imposed, which started to hamper the state of tune manufacturers could supply a bike in; so in the muscle-bike era, after-market exhausts, could help find a bit more 'pep' as well as save some pennies come MOT time.
By the Mid 90's, as water-cooled engines came to the fore, allowing the manufacturers to beat noise and emission regs while still keeping up with the 'power race' for ever higher peak power numbers year on year; any 'performance' benefit an aftermarket exhaust system might offer was being significantly eroded; and in fact in some dyno shoot-outs, it was shown that most 'Performance Pipes' if anything caused a loss of power over stock systems; The 'best' full systems, might offer a 3-5% increase in peak power, but usually accompanied by a significant loss of mid-range, that often gave an 'illusion' of increased peak, through a stronger 'surge' of power coming out of the 'hole' of lost mid-range.
All 'open' end cans tended to do, was throw the jetting to pot, put flat-spots in the mid-range, and increase fuel consumption roughly proportionally to increase in noise.
YET.. folk carried on fitting after-market exhausts, on the historical legacy that they were a 'good thing' often believing that they MUST give them more performance... and probably still do!
Meanwhile, we have succumbed ever more to pre-packaged consumerism and the superficial values of aesthetics; and people seem to buy motorbikes more like they do shoes, with more concern about what they think they make them look like on the high-street than any real interest in the engineering or actual performance; and when the questions pop up about them, it is now far more common that they are being fitted for such venal reasons as how they sound or how they look, rather than what they actually do! So maybe not bought just for 'showing off' but certainly like a pair of Nike-air trainers.. it's the 'done thing' in company!
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