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PostPosted: 23:07 - 13 Jun 2015    Post subject: New bike - V5 Dilema (new tax/VED rules)! Reply with quote
I didn't think I'd manage to stitch myself up with this new vehicle excise duty rules that have been introduced, as I thought I was pretty clued up - but I was wrong!

I've somehow stitched myself up good and proper with a new bike purchase today......

Bought a bike from someone who only had the green slip and the owner previous to him has sent the V5 off. The bike is taxed, but only until our friends at the DVLA process the paper work - that's where I'm stuck! I thought I would just check the DVLA vehicle enquiry on a daily basis, to see when the tax has been refunded to previous owner and then tax the bike myself with the green slip reference number online. Problem is, the green slip I have with my sellers details on will be superceeded by the new V5 that is on the way to the chap I bought the bike from.

How will I tax it!!!??

Am I going to have to wait for my seller to forward to V5 to me so that I can get the bike registered in my name/use the new green slip to tax bike - that being that he sticks to his promise and does actually forward it to me!

Or am I over thinking this!?
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 13 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yep

Until you have new keepers slip you can'ttax it
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PostPosted: 00:37 - 14 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tax can be back dated, if the fuzz grab you explain the story and be on your way.

more to the point, why are you buying a vehicle without the FULL logbook present
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PostPosted: 04:03 - 14 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Accuhaler wrote:
.……more to the point, why are you buying a vehicle without the FULL logbook present


Because other than for taxing the bike, it's value is pretty much zero to me!

The whole point of being the registered keeper is majoritily only for taxation purposes - it does not signify who the legal owner is, only who is responsible for the vehicle and thus responsible to pay the VED. This is actually also stated on the V5.

I ran a full HPI check and had a full written reciept from the seller. Checked he was who he said he was, and off I went. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:26 - 14 Jun 2015    Post subject: Re: New bike - V5 Dilema (new tax/VED rules)! Reply with quote
Yup, V5C is a liability, not an asset.

dannymassive wrote:
How will I tax it!!!??

Tax it on the new keeper slip that you have. When the keeper changes to you, the refund will go to the chap you bought it from. Hop in your time machine, go back to when you bought it and negotiate a further discount for that amount.

Try not to kill yourself while you're there, the space time continuum is a fickle mistress.
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PostPosted: 06:55 - 15 Jun 2015    Post subject: Re: New bike - V5 Dilema (new tax/VED rules)! Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
...... Hop in your time machine, go back to when you bought it and negotiate a further discount for that amount.....


The Firestorm is nippy, but not nippy enough for time travel!

If I don't hear anything further from the seller, I am going to end up having to apply for a V5 directly from the DVLA. I could potentially be off the road for a while?!
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PostPosted: 08:43 - 15 Jun 2015    Post subject: Re: New bike - V5 Dilema (new tax/VED rules)! Reply with quote
dannymassive wrote:
If I don't hear anything further from the seller, I am going to end up having to apply for a V5 directly from the DVLA.

Why wait?
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PostPosted: 08:58 - 15 Jun 2015    Post subject: Re: New bike - V5 Dilema (new tax/VED rules)! Reply with quote
dannymassive wrote:

Bought a bike from someone who only had the green slip and the owner previous to him has sent the V5 off.



I would be far more worried as to why someone is selling a bike they have only just bought...
Did he say how long ago he bought it.
New owner sends slip off V5 comes back in a coupe of weeks MAX....
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 15 Jun 2015    Post subject: Re: New bike - V5 Dilema (new tax/VED rules)! Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
Why wait?


Are you suggesting that maybe I shouldn't?!

I thought that I should give them the benefit of doubt and then contact DVLA in a few weeks time if I've not heard anything from the seller?!
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PostPosted: 11:16 - 15 Jun 2015    Post subject: Re: New bike - V5 Dilema (new tax/VED rules)! Reply with quote
iooi wrote:
dannymassive wrote:

Bought a bike from someone who only had the green slip and the owner previous to him has sent the V5 off.



I would be far more worried as to why someone is selling a bike they have only just bought...
Did he say how long ago he bought it.
New owner sends slip off V5 comes back in a coupe of weeks MAX....


He had owned it for around 3 weeks. Said he didn't get on with a v-twin and wanted to go back to an IL4. The bike is mechanically sound so his reasons don't worry me. For all I know he may just have needed the cash!?

I've checked the DVLA vehicle enquiry system today which is still showing the most recent V5 as being issued in 2013 so it doesn't look like they have processed anything as yet!
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 15 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Accuhaler wrote:
Tax can be back dated, if the fuzz grab you explain the story and be on your way.



Erm. Are you sure.
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 15 Jun 2015    Post subject: Re: New bike - V5 Dilema (new tax/VED rules)! Reply with quote
dannymassive wrote:
I thought that I should give them the benefit of doubt and then contact DVLA in a few weeks time if I've not heard anything from the seller?!

What's the downside to the chap you bought it from if you tell the DVLA now?

V5C aside, the chap you bought it from can and should write to the DVLA immediately to tell them about the change of keeper. If he does, he's done everything necessary.

If he chooses not to, or dicks around when he gets his copy of the V5C in, then that's his problem if they do him for failure to notify.

Not having a new (new) keeper slip with which you can buy VED for yourself, that's your problem.

You could try contacting the DVLA to make it their problem. Should be a laugh if nothing else.
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 15 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
The downside to contacting them before hand is that there is a £25 fee for a V5 if the new keeper slip isn't provided.
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 15 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
dannymassive wrote:
The downside to contacting them before hand is that there is a £25 fee for a V5 if the new keeper slip isn't provided.

That's a lot less than the penalty for riding untaxed.
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 15 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
dannymassive wrote:
The downside to contacting them before hand is that there is a £25 fee for a V5 if the new keeper slip isn't provided.

Touché.

Not in the Yewtree way.

What size of bike are we talking here? Would you rather have it sitting around doing nothing, or eat the cost of buying VED on the old-new keeper's slip in the knowledge that the refund will go to him?
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PostPosted: 06:49 - 16 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yorkshire Geek wrote:
That's a lot less than the penalty for riding untaxed.


Bike is not registered to me as yet and is taxed.

Rogerborg wrote:
What size of bike are we talking here?.......


Our friends at Wikipedia provide a wheelbase of 1430 mm, with a seat height of 810 mm. Wink

Rogerborg wrote:
....Would you rather have it sitting around doing nothing, or ear the cost of buying VED on the old-new keeper's slip in the knowledge that the refund will go to him?


Well the plot thickens....

The DVLA still haven't processed any paper work to put my seller as the new owner, so the old, old owner is still the registered keeper - and still has it taxed!
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PostPosted: 08:25 - 16 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
dannymassive wrote:

Well the plot thickens....

The DVLA still haven't processed any paper work to put my seller as the new owner, so the old, old owner is still the registered keeper - and still has it taxed!


Could that have something to do with the person you bought the bike off. NOT sending in the new keepers slip.

Kinda odd as to why you buy a bike and NOT send the slip in straight away to get the V5 sorted into your name. Embarassed Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 08:36 - 16 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
dannymassive wrote:
The DVLA still haven't processed any paper work to put my seller as the new owner, so the old, old owner is still the registered keeper - and still has it taxed!

I'm trying to think how you'd determine that. Surely the DVLA didn't do anything as helpful as to tell you? Thinking
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Rogerborg wrote:

I'm trying to think how you'd determine that. Surely the DVLA didn't do anything as helpful as to tell you? Thinking


Wild guess Laughing
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Northern Monkey wrote:
Accuhaler wrote:
Tax can be back dated, if the fuzz grab you explain the story and be on your way.



Erm. Are you sure.


Yeah it's called un-committing an offence Very Happy
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PostPosted: 09:36 - 16 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
iooi wrote:
Could that have something to do with the person you bought the bike off. NOT sending in the new keepers slip.

Kinda odd as to why you buy a bike and NOT send the slip in straight away to get the V5 sorted into your name. Embarassed Rolling Eyes


Nothing odd in that. The DVLA form required to send in your green slip and obtain a full V5 states that you should wait 4 weeks before submitting the green slip to them, to give them time to process the paper work. Or pay the £25 fee!


Rogerborg wrote:
dannymassive wrote:
The DVLA still haven't processed any paper work to put my seller as the new owner, so the old, old owner is still the registered keeper - and still has it taxed!

I'm trying to think how you'd determine that. Surely the DVLA didn't do anything as helpful as to tell you? Thinking


Hell no! I wouldn't expect them to cooperate!

My seller gave me his green slip (new keeper part of the V5) so I typed in the reference number of that into the DVLA vehicle enquiry site. That gives the latest V5 issue date. As my sellers new keeper slip is still the most up to date, that is why it works.
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 16 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
dannymassive wrote:
My seller gave me his green slip (new keeper part of the V5) so I typed in the reference number of that into the DVLA vehicle enquiry site. That gives the latest V5 issue date. As my sellers new keeper slip is still the most up to date, that is why it works.

Ohhh... don't tell them that was helpful, they'll take the service down for maintenance indefinitely!

Have you got in touch for a "Shut up and take my money" conversation?
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Rogerborg wrote:
Ohhh... don't tell them that was helpful, they'll take the service down for maintenance indefinitely!


Well, they do try and make it difficult - the reference number on the green slip is a digit longer than on the full V5, but take the first digit off and..... Voilla! Wink

Rogerborg wrote:
Have you got in touch for a "Shut up and take my money" conversation?


Call me slow, call me thick, in fact call me anything you like, but I don't get it! What does one of these conversations entail!? Thinking
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 16 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
iooi wrote:
Could that have something to do with the person you bought the bike off. NOT sending in the new keepers slip.

Kinda odd as to why you buy a bike and NOT send the slip in straight away to get the V5 sorted into your name. Embarassed Rolling Eyes

dannymassive wrote:

Nothing odd in that. The DVLA form required to send in your green slip and obtain a full V5 states that you should wait 4 weeks before submitting the green slip to them, to give them time to process the paper work. Or pay the £25 fee!


The person you bought the bike off should have down this and payed the fee Before selling the bike...
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If you don’t have your V5C registration certificate
If you don’t have a V5C registration certificate write to DVLA, Swansea, SA99 1AR giving the:

vehicle registration mark
make and model
exact date of sale
name and address of the new keeper
your signature
Check the new keeper sends DVLA a completed V62 form to apply for a new registration certificate. Otherwise the police could contact you about the vehicle.


Time that they got off their arse and sorted the V5 issue.

Just bought a new (to me) car. Sent the new keepers slip to DVLA (on its own) 10 days later V5 is happily sitting in my hands....
Why did the previous owner NOT do this?
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dannymassive wrote:
What does one of these conversations entail!? Thinking

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