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S1417
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 02 Jul 2015    Post subject: Road legal pit bikes Reply with quote
Whats the deal with these? Is it a quick/easy/cheap process to get a second hand stomp etc road legal, or am I better off waiting for one that's already road registered to come up for sale?

I'm thinking of getting one as a second bike to mess about with in the garage and then blast around over summer. I know I've seen a few people on here have them so any experiences would be welcome

EDIT: also if anyone on here has one they're looking to sell let me know, I'd rather not have to risk buying it off some chav with "can do 109 m8"
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Northern Monkey
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PostPosted: 05:25 - 03 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
I looked into this for a while then bought an msx
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S1417
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PostPosted: 07:39 - 03 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Northern Monkey wrote:
I looked into this for a while then bought an msx


Was that through too much hassle?
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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 08:07 - 03 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Last time I checked, you'll need a "certificate of newness" or something else proving the age if you want to avoid a Q plate.

DVLA will want to see that import tax has been paid before registering it.

If you don't have a certificate of Euro 3 conformity (and you won't) then you'll be off for an MSVA test at a DVSA test centre. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/motorcycle-single-vehicle-approval-inspection-manual

Then you get to try and insure it, when it won't be on any lists.

I'd get an MSX.
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G
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PostPosted: 08:23 - 03 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:

If you don't have a certificate of Euro 3 conformity (and you won't) then you'll be off for an MSVA test at a DVSA test centre. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/motorcycle-single-vehicle-approval-inspection-manual

With a little creativity and possibly a different set of wheels you should be able to meet the requirements for a motocross or possibly enduro bike, depending on the size of the bike, which skips out the MSVA issues.

However, saving hassle get an already road legal one, or consider buying a road legal frame to add an off-road bike's parts to. However they tend to be expensive as this is a popular option.

MSX is heavy and a bit slow, also covered in expensive-looking plastic.
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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 08:58 - 03 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Are they exempt? They're not on this list:

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-approval/exemptions-from-vehicle-approval

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2003/1959/contents/made references "the second paragraph of Article 1(1) of Directive 2002/24/EC"

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32002L0024&from=EN

Relevant part:

Eurocrats wrote:
This Directive does not apply to the following vehicles:
(a) vehicles with a maximum design speed not exceeding 6 km/h;
(b) vehicles intended for pedestrian control;
(c) vehicles intended for use by the physically handicapped;
(d) vehicles intended for use in competition, on roads or in off-road conditions;
(e) vehicles already in use before the application date of
Directive 92/61/EEC;
(f) tractors and machines, used for agricultural or similar
purposes;
(g) vehicles designed primarily for off-road leisure use having wheels arranged symmetrically with one wheel at the front of the vehicle and two at the rear;
(h) cycles with pedal assistance which are equipped with an auxiliary electric motor having a maximum continuous rated power of 0,25 kW, of which the output is progressively reduced and finally cut off as the vehicle reaches a speed of 25 km/h, or sooner, if the cyclist stops pedalling


Looks like you need to claim that it's "intended for use in competition". Why you'd be wanting to road register an offroad competition bike is left as an exercise for the reader.
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G
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PostPosted: 09:26 - 03 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:

Looks like you need to claim that it's "intended for use in competition". Why you'd be wanting to road register an offroad competition bike is left as an exercise for the reader.

Because off-road competitions can require you to transit between stages using highways - some enduros and the majority of long distance, some 3 stage trials have road sections.

A large wheeled pit bike could well make quite a good cheap bike for those events, even the enduros for the rider of smaller stature.
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S1417
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 03 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks for that guys, sounds like a massive ball ache. I think I'll try and hold out for an already road legal one
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Northern Monkey
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 03 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Eurocrats wrote:

(d) vehicles intended for use in competition, on roads or in off-road conditions;


It doesn't say 'Vehicles which need road access in order to be used in an off-road competition' just 'vehicles intended for use in competition, on roads or in off-road conditions'

There are pit bike competitions, so it is a bike designed to be used in off-road pit bike racing competitions.

The fact that it does not need to be driven on the road in order to be used in an off-road competition is not relevant.
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Northern Monkey
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 03 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
G wrote:

MSX is heavy and a bit slow, also covered in expensive-looking plastic.


The plastics are fairly cheap, but are fragile Sad I've cracked one by leaning the bike on my leg as I reached over the other side.

Unfortunately it doesn't use a standard C90 type mount, so you can't just screw on a 140 or 180cc pit bike engine
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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 03 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Not that you should, but you could get a WK Tomcat for £1200 + OTR.

https://www.wkbikes.com/125cc_motorbikes_wk-TOMCAT-125.html

https://www.wkbikes.com/images/TOMCAT-UK.jpg

(Other flavours of jingoism are available).

If that were a Lexmoto and about £300 cheaper, I might be interested. But it isn't, so I isn't.
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