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vladthetodge
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PostPosted: 08:19 - 03 Jul 2015    Post subject: Rear axle bolt won't come out and chain won't stay tight? Reply with quote

Hi guys!
Rear axle bolt is totally stuck in. Used 2 by 4 and a big hammer, penetrating fluid, allsorts and it won't budge. Also I've tightened chain to correct tension, locked it properly and tightened rear wheel to torque settings and five miles later the dam chain is slack again. Any ideas? From here it looks like I'll have to get a garage to press it out and replace bearings unless anyone got any ideas. Don't have a torch to heat it up.
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PostPosted: 09:26 - 03 Jul 2015    Post subject: axle Reply with quote

what bike is it??

you need an assistant but first when the axle nut is loose, do any of the wheel spacers turn on the axle meaning they are free and not seized to the axle.

also check brake back plate/caliper holder for the same reason.

when all these are known to be free, get your assistant to place a lump hammer against the swing arm as close as possible to the axle, on the side the axle comes out.

hold the lump hammer against the swing arm as tight as possible.

using a suitable size hammer and a brass drift, with the brass drift against the axle end, strike the drift with a good swinging blow, your arm forming an arc to gain the striking force. gravity and your arm weight/hammer weight forming the force.

did the lump hammer lift off the other end due to the shock or did the axle move slightly?

if it moved slightly, lub lub lub am tap the axle back in, then repeat, a bit by bit approach, be patient.

if no movement, then a bit more force.

don't forget to lub.

hopefully the axle is just stuck, and not well and truly corroded to the bearing inners and distance tube.

check with cmsnl to see if the bearings are held in with circlips....don't damage the hub.

steady as you go and report back. you have a heat gun or lone the girls hair drier.....
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 03 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a daelim roadsport 125. The rear disc housing is directly after the rear axle nut. No spacer I can gather on other side by sprocket. Have tried a large hammer and bracing the swing arm. Scared it'll warp it if I hit any harder. I guess it's siezed onto inner bearing housing. I'll have another go on next day off but can't think of anything else I can do.
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 03 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a problem similar to that a few years ago and the easiest solution was to cut the axle using a hacksaw. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 00:53 - 04 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vladimir, I'm familiar with 125 Daelims. I recently took in a rescue VJ125 that had been abused and was in need of huge amounts of TLC.
You're not far from me and if you'd like to call round, I reckon that after some swearing, we'll probably be able to get the bugger free.
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 04 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raffles wrote:
Vladimir, I'm familiar with 125 Daelims. I recently took in a rescue VJ125 that had been abused and was in need of huge amounts of TLC.
You're not far from me and if you'd like to call round, I reckon that after some swearing, we'll probably be able to get the bugger free.


That is a very generous offer, once I know which day I can be round I'll let you know, thank you! I'll be in touch
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 04 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are undoing the chain adjusters as well as the axle nut
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 04 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had the same issue with my sinnis stealth, there was no lube on spindle Mad It had to be hacksawed off on both sides, which was a horrible task. Clamped wheel down on work bench, and it took a lot of sledge hammer abuse to get the remains out.
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 04 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

GPz750 wrote:
You are undoing the chain adjusters as well as the axle nut


Loosening the chain adjusters first. Near side is stiffer than a virgins bits at an anne summers party. It's very hard to wobble it at all
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 04 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

vladthetodge wrote:
GPz750 wrote:
You are undoing the chain adjusters as well as the axle nut


Loosening the chain adjusters first. Near side is stiffer than a virgins bits at an anne summers party. It's very hard to wobble it at all


Sounds well seized then. If this was me i would take the tank off. Take the spindle nut off and lean bike over. Spray lots of penetrating oil on the fucker and let it soak over night. Yes with the bike on its side. Nut back on but upside down of a castle nut and wallop the fucker as hard as i could. Still not joy. Order 2nd hand spindle and nut then wheel bearings, get an angle grinder into the bastard to get the wheel on a bench so you can get a better swing at it and soak. Worse case i know someone on another forum who has the same bike with a fucked engine so if looking for parts i Thumbs Up Ill PM you a link in a mo.
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 05 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

With a lot of effort the bolt will turn a little at a time, but it squeals. Don't think it's terminal
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 05 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

vladthetodge wrote:
With a lot of effort the bolt will turn a little at a time, but it squeals.

Are the spacers turning with it?
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 05 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

vladthetodge wrote:
With a lot of effort the bolt will turn a little at a time, but it squeals. Don't think it's terminal


Its dry by the sounds of it. The other end from the bolt i have a hole through mine to allow me to use a screwdriver to lock it in position then undoо the bolt as you may be turning the whole thing and getting nowhere.
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 05 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raffles wrote:
vladthetodge wrote:
With a lot of effort the bolt will turn a little at a time, but it squeals.

Are the spacers turning with it?


Not sure. There's no spacer on the nut side of the bolt, the rear disk is the spacer. I'm turning it with a socket. I'll have to have another look Tuesday to double.check the bolts turning on its own.
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PostPosted: 00:18 - 06 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raffles wrote:
vladthetodge wrote:
With a lot of effort the bolt will turn a little at a time, but it squeals.

Are the spacers turning with it?


Not sure. There's no spacer on the nut side of the bolt, the rear disk is the spacer. I'm turning it with a socket. I'll have to have another look Tuesday to double.check the bolts turning on its own.
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PostPosted: 00:19 - 06 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raffles wrote:
vladthetodge wrote:
With a lot of effort the bolt will turn a little at a time, but it squeals.

Are the spacers turning with it?


Not sure. The spacer is a wee thing behind the rear caliper mount. I'll double check when.I get a free minute this week.
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 06 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this, out of focus, rusty bit there?

https://s1.postimg.org/5dcgn3glb/IMG_5736.jpg

What about this other, poorly photographed, rusty bit? Is it there?

https://s1.postimg.org/8hij657zz/IMG_5739.jpg
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 08 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

No rust at all really. Can't do owt either for two weeks now, stuck working.
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