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Val
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 22 Jul 2015    Post subject: analys of the crash any ideas? Reply with quote

This made BBC news:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1aSvoIpVss

I wonder what you think about it?

IMO is easy to point solution from your chair, but me personally think the guy has handled that well. I am not sure if it was me I may be under that truck.

And the post accident is brilliant hat off to him. This guy is great.


IB4:

Usually when sh.t happens I am known to hit the turn signal instead of the horn Laughing

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IB4 #2:

Do not blame the truck driver too much, visibility is ZERO there are FIVE side mirrors nice idea of Boris Johsnon to have cycle safety...ermmmmm??

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PostPosted: 18:06 - 22 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think he did exactly the right thing. Jump off the bike and GTFO.

Classic example of why not to horn. He'd probably still have been sounding it as the wagon went over his leg.

There was actually an unusually high amount of visability on the approach to that junction too due to an open firestation yard on the right.

street view link

EDIT: It doesn't excuse his vlogging behaviour though. Maybe his camera slowed down his wits thereby preventing him accelerating out of the way in time.
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 22 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

While his view IS obscured by the mirrors, he still did nothing about it, he knows the blindspot is there and he's a professional driver who is trained and expected to drive to a higher standard than every-day drivers.

The A-pillar on my van is rediculous, you can loose a whole car in it. That's why I lean forwards and look round it so I can see where the fuck I'm going. I position the vehicle so I cover that blind spot.

I've even landed up in a position at a sharply angled fork in the road before where I've had to stop and physically open the door to stand up on the step and look over the top of the van to see if anything is coming

You could well argue the wagon driver should have swung out more before turning in to clear his blindspot OR simply stopped and looked before he turned in.
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 22 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
The A-pillar on my van is rediculous, you can loose a whole car in it.


Don't look Rogerborg, I'm sure he did on purpose.
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 22 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd agree that the truck driver has the duty of care to make sure the space he is driving into is free to do so, but on the horn thing, this is a perfect example of when a proactive, warning parp would be in order, rather than a reactive "WTF!!" parp.
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 22 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 05:59 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:
this is a perfect example of when a proactive, warning parp would be in order, rather than a reactive "WTF!!" parp.


With 99% of motorbike horns would give no warning to anyone what so ever. That's a busy road the truck is turning in from, I'd be amazed if the motorcyclist could hear his own horn.
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PostPosted: 07:23 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Random question but why is he checking the road is clear on the right to make a quick turn instead of looking at the hazard that’s visible and indicating in front of him. Looks like a busy main road from which the truck is indicating from. So in that little glance down the road you could easily have another vehicle forcing you to stop.

Personally I'd like to think that I would of slowed down a bit approaching almost to a crawl. Seeing that it's a narrow entrance and that the truck hasn't really changed his course so going have to make a wide turning.

Though I really can't say what I would fully do as I wasn't in that situation.
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PostPosted: 07:32 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Truck took the bend too wide and way too fast, no excuse really. I think if I'd been on the bike I'd have veered right, probably onto the pavement, though the mum & pushchair would have been an issue.
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PostPosted: 08:07 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
Truck took the bend too wide and way too fast,

So the truck driver should have run over the curb which had an elderly woman with a push chair on it? (The non steering rear wheel is maybe 15cm away from it as it is.)

On that, note that it does have the rear most wheels steering for tighter turning.

On my old commute there was a corner like this frequented by trucks and I would wait over to the left further up if I saw one - it actually had the stop line (traffic lights) further back already.

Whether I would have stopped further up in this case if I didn't know the roads or it wasn't frequented by trucks etc is another matter.

Speed - maybe 5-10mph.

The truck driver could have pulled out into the opposing lane so he could get into the road tighter.

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Large vehicles. These may need extra road space to turn or to deal with a hazard that you are not able to see. If you are following a large vehicle, such as a bus or articulated lorry, be aware that the driver may not be able to see you in the mirrors. Be prepared to stop and wait if it needs room or time to turn.


I'd still say it was the truck drivers fault, but there were signs that I bet better bikers would have seen and used to avoid having their bike crushed (but not nearly as many youtube views.)
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 23 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheSmiler wrote:
Random question but why is he checking the road is clear on the right to make a quick turn instead of looking at the hazard that’s visible and indicating in front of him. Looks like a busy main road from which the truck is indicating from. So in that little glance down the road you could easily have another vehicle forcing you to stop.

Personally I'd like to think that I would of slowed down a bit approaching almost to a crawl. Seeing that it's a narrow entrance and that the truck hasn't really changed his course so going have to make a wide turning.

Though I really can't say what I would fully do as I wasn't in that situation.



Reckon he was doing what I've been guilty of enough times, brain half engaged, riding too casual, assuming that as there is nothing behind him and it's a slow approach he can just ride all casual like on semi-auto pilot. Or, possibly distracted by vlogging?

If he'd been riding like he was on some sort of observed advanced skills mission, maybe he'd have just gone hard to the right kerb?

I'd probably have got just as squashed or more in that situation though. Sick
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