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PostPosted: 16:24 - 26 Jul 2015    Post subject: Derestricting my sons moped Reply with quote

hi,can anybody help please,my son has got a Yamaha jog rr,he wants to derestrict it,I am quite mechanically minded,just need to know what needs to be done,or is worth doing.thanks Very Happy
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 26 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chuck it off a cliff....

It's the only worthwhile thing doing to it.
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 26 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 'Restriction' is on his licence... not in his vehicle.
You want to remove that restriction, you need to ask Parliament nicely to change the law.
As for the Moped? Well, again, its the 'Law' that makes it a moped. You can do what you like to make it exceed the legal specifications for one, B-U-T.. since the major specification is that it shall not exceed 30mph... doing so makes it pretty bludy obviouse, that if you are going faster than 30mph it ent no longer a MOPED.... as far as DVLA and registration is concerned its a MOTORCYCLE... so, it would need to be re-registered as a modified vehicle under the new registration class, ensuring that it complies with all C&U regs for the new class.. Mopeds dont.... and to ride it, you'd need to have apropriate licence entitlement.

Why don't you buy him an R1, and stick the Jog's number-plate on the back? May as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb, and it's just about 'as' legal... starting with using a vehicle other than described by the log-book, through to riding other than in accordance with licence entitlement, a few counts of obtaining insurance by deception, and whatever else they can add to the rap sheet like exceeding speed limit for vehicle type, in between....

ALL to go, how much faster? AND be bang to rites 'govner; moment they catch you going that bit faster.... pottentially bike siezed and disposed of; points, fine, ban, and uninsureable for however many years after that.

Personally, I'd just hand him a tool-box and let him get on with it.... bike'll probably never move again, saving a lot of problems, and he'll be back on a push bike, which if he pedals hard, is probably faster to start with!
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 26 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

NKVD fan wrote:
Inb4 Teffers.

How the...

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PostPosted: 18:04 - 26 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've still got some high horses for sale if there's anyone who hasn't already got one. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 26 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Abusive, Borg? Really?
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 26 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 18:26 - 26 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:

Ste delivers.


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PostPosted: 18:27 - 26 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Translating from Teff to Tl;Dr...

'de-restrict' it and it ceased to be a moped and becomes a motorcycle. DVLA must be informed of the re-classification.

Lad needs a minimum of a provisional motorcycle licence to ride it.

If he rides it without that licence hes:

Riding other than in accordance with his licence (fines + points)
Driving without insurance (points and bigger fine).

If he attempts to insure it as a moped when it's actually a motorcycle then he commits fraud (don't even go there).

If he gets followed for 500 metres by a police car at 35mh, and plod knows bikes and the law then he's into hundreds of pounds in fines, bike confiscated on the spot.

Motoring convictions must be declared when applying for insurance, and I believe nowadays insurance companies can check the relevant databases themselves, so his first base model Vauxhall Corsa will cost him as much to insure as a Ferrari would cost me, that's if anyone will quote.
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 26 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
his first base model Vauxhall Corsa will cost him as much to insure as a Ferrari would cost me, that's if anyone will quote.

I expect young drivers with base model Vauxhall Corsas cos insurance companies a lot more than young drivers with Ferraris do. Razz
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 26 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ignore faggots crying about law breaking. All have exceeded the speed limit at some point.
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 26 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having just spent a month riding round on a standard 50cc ped I'd highly suggest derestricting one. It's dangerously slow.

Breaking the law is Breaking the law. No one need cry about it.
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 26 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
Paddy. wrote:
Ignore faggots crying about law breaking. All have exceeded the speed limit at some point.

There's a world of difference between speeding and 'de-restricting' and it's consequences. Anyhow my aim was to make OP aware of the facts, ie. moped is not a toy and it's use is subject to the law like any other vehicle. If he chooses to ignore the law then that's his choice, at least he wont get his boy in trouble through ignorance.


What if OP's son was to ride a 600cc bike while unlicensed and uninsured? Presumably this would be encouraged?
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 26 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pig Hog wrote:
What if OP's son was to ride a 600cc bike while unlicensed and uninsured? Presumably this would be encouraged?


I think this ones already been done... to the tune of 7 pages Laughing

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=305035
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 26 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pay the fines at a pound a week.

Meanwhile enjoy life.

Most of us have got two or three decades before we get hit by a bus or by cancer. Somehow, a young jack the lad actually having something of a good time on his moped doesn't really rate compared to that. Isn't that where most of us started or did I miss something?

I wish I'd had a lot more fun back when I were a lad. The cops and the government be damned. They ain't never been much use to me and I imagine they ain't never going to be. If they want some respect out of me they can earn it. I bid them good luck with that. Let's just hope they can keep their hands off the kids while they're going about it. I bid them good luck with that one too.
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 26 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:

Ignore faggots crying about law breaking. All have exceeded the speed limit at some point.


Yes we have.
But how many have "Not riding in accordance, no insurance etc" on their records Shocked

But the issue here is a 16 year old who is going to screw up his riding/driving for the next 5 years (at least) all for the sake of a couple of MPH.....
Which will get him no where not a lot faster Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 26 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just_James wrote:
Pig Hog wrote:
What if OP's son was to ride a 600cc bike while unlicensed and uninsured? Presumably this would be encouraged?


I think this ones already been done... to the tune of 7 pages Laughing

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=305035


Yeah, I was making the point that people seem to be slamming this chap for wanting to (potentially) illegally derestrict a scooter yet are perfectly happy and supportive of someone else illegally riding a bike unlicensed and uninsured. They may not be exactly they same scenarios but double standards much?
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 26 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cut the grey wire on the CDI unit. Should give more revs.
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PostPosted: 07:39 - 27 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
Paddy. wrote:
Ignore faggots crying about law breaking. All have exceeded the speed limit at some point.

There's a world of difference between speeding and 'de-restricting'

What's the point of de-restricting if not to break the speed limit? Laughing

Sadly, OP is in Kent which is one of the Farces that have a penchant for tugging teens (Suffolk and Hampshire being the others of which I'm aware).

Sadder though, you could ride a standard ped straight out of a dealer onto a Plod rolling road and get done for it since I'm not aware of any that are actually speed restricted.

Might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb.
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 27 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
I've still got some high horses for sale if there's anyone who hasn't already got one. Thumbs Up


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PostPosted: 18:10 - 27 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

Sadder though, you could ride a standard ped straight out of a dealer onto a Plod rolling road and get done for it since I'm not aware of any that are actually speed restricted.


Thought most were these days (although whether the speed they are restricted to is accurate is another question). Think the Aprilia Amico was speed limited (rather than gearing or power limited) around 1990

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