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PostPosted: 07:40 - 03 Aug 2015    Post subject: How do I choose a boiler? Reply with quote

I'll keep it short.

We're buying house.

House is old has old 2 tank boiler set up for hot water and no Central Heating.

I want to remove these and replace with a combi boiler.

There are 1 thousand million combi boilers.

How do I choose the right one?

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3 Bed semi
1 Bathroom
will want (maybe) 7 rads and one of those towel rack/radiator things for the bathroom.

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PostPosted: 07:47 - 03 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

buy a Worcester bosch one
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PostPosted: 08:05 - 03 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go to B&Q and get them to calculate the size of boiler you need, then shop online for the BTU rating they give you.

My guess, because my house is about the same spec as yours, would be 80,000BTU.
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PostPosted: 08:23 - 03 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

boiler size calculator
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PostPosted: 08:28 - 03 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to know the flow rate of your main supply too. No point buying a combi that can heat more water per minute than you're flowing otherwise you're just paying extra for something you can't use to its full effect
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PostPosted: 08:43 - 03 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any rough idea of how much a plumber would charge to replace an existing boiler with a new one (me supplying the boiler)?

Just hanging it and modding the existing pipework so shouldn't be too expensive right?

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PostPosted: 08:47 - 03 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

panrider_uk wrote:
Any rough idea of how much a plumber would charge

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so shouldn't be too expensive right?

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PostPosted: 09:08 - 03 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Including the boiler as long as you're not in a mansion - 1500 to 2000 quid fitted
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PostPosted: 09:57 - 03 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very helpful replies so far thanks. I'll use that calculator thingy but thinking about the water pressure, arry. How would I find out?

Quick calculator used despite not fully understanding it. It says 7.9 kW.

I'll have a look but does that number seem stupidly low/high, have I used the calculator really badly?
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 03 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You use a flow meter. Effectively attaches to the nearest tap to the mains supply and then you run the tap at full flow - it measures the amount of water through and gives you the flow rate
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PostPosted: 10:52 - 03 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
You use a flow meter. Effectively attaches to the nearest tap to the mains supply and then you run the tap at full flow - it measures the amount of water through and gives you the flow rate


I didn't think it was that simple. I thought it might be contacting Yorkshire Water and they bring a man out who goes into holes in the floor and whatnot.
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 03 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:
buy a Worcester bosch one


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I had Dave Scargill who's based in Barnsley do mine (yup, current house) as he's done two boilers for me mum and one each for each sets of grandparents so knew he'd not be bullshitting me about what I need / don't need.

price was cheaper than the electrical re-wiring despite how much copper pipe was used!
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 03 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonko The Sane wrote:
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I had Dave Scargill who's based in Barnsley do mine (yup, current house) as he's done two boilers for me mum and one each for each sets of grandparents so knew he'd not be bullshitting me about what I need / don't need.

price was cheaper than the electrical re-wiring despite how much copper pipe was used!


I'll look into the Worcester Bosch lot then when I'm going ahead. My uncle is a plumber, I think he lives in Todmorden now, so he said he'll do it for me. He's a good tradesman and makes a fair wage doing good work.

I think there might be a rewire job on at my new place too, the joys of old(er) houses. The woman who left this house is 103 and just gone into her home. We met the nephew who is a roofer and told us he'd not long done the attic, some joists and insulation. Because he did it for his aging Aunt, I'd suspect he did the best job he could for her.

Unfortunately it's not up your neck of the woods. I'm gonna be living North Leeds.
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 03 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

snoosnoo wrote:

Quick calculator used despite not fully understanding it. It says 7.9 kW.

I'll have a look but does that number seem stupidly low/high, have I used the calculator really badly?


With a combi you're going to want at least a 24kw ish boiler for your direct hot water. The heating load is normally far lower on a smallish house so you can't size to that as it won't be powerful enough to heat the water.
A modern boiler will modulate down to a lower output when just on heating.
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 03 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would think that a 3bed house of a fair size is getting close to the practical limits of having a combi boiler. There is no good reason to choose a combi in a large home IMO, and they also tend to have a shorter life span than other types of boiler.

But if you want a make to recommend, then just my personal preference would be a Valliant unit.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 03 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

snoosnoo wrote:
Wonko The Sane wrote:
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I had Dave Scargill who's based in Barnsley do mine (yup, current house) as he's done two boilers for me mum and one each for each sets of grandparents so knew he'd not be bullshitting me about what I need / don't need.

price was cheaper than the electrical re-wiring despite how much copper pipe was used!


I'll look into the Worcester Bosch lot then when I'm going ahead. My uncle is a plumber, I think he lives in Todmorden now, so he said he'll do it for me. He's a good tradesman and makes a fair wage doing good work.

I think there might be a rewire job on at my new place too, the joys of old(er) houses. The woman who left this house is 103 and just gone into her home. We met the nephew who is a roofer and told us he'd not long done the attic, some joists and insulation. Because he did it for his aging Aunt, I'd suspect he did the best job he could for her.

Unfortunately it's not up your neck of the woods. I'm gonna be living North Leeds.


Chap I recommend is Barnsley based so Leeds isn't far but if your uncle can do it then go with that.

It's worth considering gutting the house before moving in doing all the re-wiring etc.

A friend of mine (who's an electrician) has literally stripped back to the brickwork and boarded and skimmed the walls, he's put electric heating in all round and a hot water immersion heater and now has no gas on the theory it's not that much price difference and surely we're going to run out of gas / price increase and switch to electric anyway.

not sure if this is a plan or not.

I've had to re-do some jobs when I've found something I wasn't expecting trying to live in the house while working on it, depends if there's been many bodges (like in my house)
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 03 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Iglesias wrote:
Why on earth would you put a crappy combi in?


Care explain?

My combi is powering a 4 bed house with twin reception rooms, dining room, 2 showers and a bathroom over 3 levels.

The previous boiler was in 23 years and wasn't well maintained but still lasted that long. The new one was under 2K fully installed.

Poor value for money driving your decision? Poor economy? Please add detail if you would
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 03 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Iglesias wrote:
Free standing ones.

What are they?
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 03 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Iglesias wrote:


Free standing ones. Of course, no plumber will install them these days, but if you can find one who will 'sign it off'....


Is that code for something I'm not referencing?
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 03 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Iglesias wrote:
arry wrote:


Care explain why not a 'crappy combi'?

My combi is powering a 4 bed house with twin reception rooms, dining room, 2 showers and a bathroom over 3 levels.

The previous boiler was in 23 years and wasn't well maintained but still lasted that long. The new one was under 2K fully installed.

Poor value for money driving your decision? Poor economy? Please add detail if you would


Free standing ones. Of course, no plumber will install them these days, but if you can find one who will 'sign it off'....


Free standing combi boilers?

Yep, Worcestser Bosch make a couple but I was told I didn't need anything that big, the only one fitted by the chap who did my system he put in a church / village hall.

my average size (physical size) wall mounted boiler happily powers 13 radiators over 3 floors with no issue while being the size of a large kitchen wall cupboard.
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PostPosted: 07:46 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here we go, vailant or Worcester will see u get a decent combi, Worcester do larger floor standing combis with a storage of water for larger properties. It all depends on how much hot water demand you have, are your showers electric or are they mixer units?

Don't let anyone put you off a combi, I've been in the trade 15 years and fit boilers daily for the largest supplier of LPG gas in the country. For 2/3 bedroom properties there is normally no more cost effective way of providing your heating/hot water
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PostPosted: 08:27 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I deliberately bought bigger than I needed, but always planned to extend my house at some point in time.
I have a Bosch Worcester Greenstar 30CDI, it's installed in my loftspace as I don't have any suitable external
facing walls in my kitchen. It's a 30kW unit. Run via a wireless digital thermostat/timer/controller unit. Currently it's running my
hot water and 6 moderately sized radiators. At present I have just a single bathroom which has an electric shower so
is about 90% cold water used in there, the plan is to refit the bathroom and get rid of the electric shower,
but I'll only be able to do that after I have built the downstairs shower room giving us an alternative place to
get clean, wife goes to gym a lot so we can't manage without facilities for very long at all.

In a few weeks I intend to add a 7th rad in the lounge before winter arrives, There used to be a Baxi gas fire/back boiler
setup in there which was el crappo. There's now a small wood burning stove in the fireplace instead, but it's a bit of a faff
and it quickly gets too warm in there if you use it. For those evenings when it's just a bit chilly, a nice double rad
will take the chill off. When it's really cold I fire up both the stoves 1@ 14kW (kitchen) and 1@ 10kW (Lounge) and them plus the
central heating warms up the house like a motherfucker.

Got my boiler through a London based building contractor I used to work for, they get good prices on boilers
because they buy loads. Of course, they claim their VAT back so it actually cost me £877 all in including
horizontal flue and digital wireless timer unit.

Link is not where I bought mine from Wink Just to demonstrate model/type.

https://www.directheatingsupplies.co.uk/worcester-greenstar-30cdi-system-boiler?gclid=CPeS0dr5jscCFRQatAodZ1sE1Q
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The wireless thermostat/controllers are great.

I use one of these which can also be controlled over t'internet.

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