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pikey666
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 03 Aug 2015    Post subject: Cb500 doesn't start. Reply with quote

I cant get my wife's cb500 to start.
A couple of weeks ago the reg rec failed and fried the battery, I fitted a mosfet reg from a 04 Yamaha and a new battery that I charged fully before use. The bike started fine and was used for a 30 mile trip, the battery showed a voltage of 14.6 while running.
The next time she went to use the bike it wouldn't start, the battery shows full charge, all fuses are ok, the starter relay clicks and the engine spins but doesn't catch.
The air filter is clean, fuel flows through the tap when a vacuum is applied, the plugs spark when held against the engine and were wet with fuel when I took them out. The side stand and neutral switches work properly.
I am poor when it comes to electrics so hopefully some can talk me through troubleshooting.

Sorry for the tef like essay.
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PostPosted: 09:26 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fuel ?
Drain and refill carbs

Is there a spark at the plugs ?

CB500 inigtion module is very tough but if no spark could be
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kill switch?

But you say you're getting a spark.
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ignore last Brain fade!!

Choke on
crank hard and contentious Aladdin and removing throttle

Classic cb500 not been used

After longer periods you may need easy start
I think exhaust valves don't seat correctly after standing and once run all will be well again My high silage (140K) one dose this if not run for a few weeks
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wet plug inicates flooding (over-fueling). But could simply be tons of un-ignited fuel due to ignition problem.
For a flooded engine the remedy is alwys the same.
You need to clear the extra fuel or the mixture will be too rich to burn. (Not enough oxygen for combustion)
Choke off (if a manual choke)
Hold the throttle wide open against the stop.
Crank the engine over several times.
Set the choke.
Crack the throttle open (about from 12 o'clock to 1 o'clock) this ensures that there is sufficient air for combustion.
The engine should then start. If ignition, timing is ok.
Another wild card is that the battery cable terminals are dirty and the engine isn't turning over faat enough to start.
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
Wet plug inicates flooding (over-fueling). But could simply be tons of un-ignited fuel due to ignition problem.
For a flooded engine the remedy is alwys the same.
You need to clear the extra fuel or the mixture will be too rich to burn. (Not enough oxygen for combustion)
Choke off (if a manual choke)
Hold the throttle wide open against the stop.
Crank the engine over several times.
Set the choke.
Crack the throttle open (about from 12 o'clock to 1 o'clock) this ensures that there is sufficient air for combustion.
The engine should then start. If ignition, timing is ok.
Another wild card is that the battery cable terminals are dirty and the engine isn't turning over faat enough to start.


WOPrth remembering a CB500 does have a manual fuel tap.

What I do with Mrs stinkwheels one if it floods (rarely and only after being left sitting for a long period) is turn the fuel off, choke off, throttle wide open and caw it over in bursts of 6 turn overs and an equivalent rest (to allow the battery to recover) until it fires. It'll often fire up at this in which case, I just knock the fuel on and away you go.

If I've done say 6 cycles, I'd then try fuel on, choke on and start as normal. I would not however, touch the throttle.
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you put it back together, did you check that the leads were on to the plugs securely?

I knocked one of them off mine and it did exactly this.

Are both down pipes hot after trying to start it or just one / none.
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
WOPrth remembering a CB500 does have a manual fuel tap.

What I do with Mrs stinkwheels one if it floods (rarely and only after being left sitting for a long period) is turn the fuel off, choke off, throttle wide open and caw it over in bursts of 6 turn overs and an equivalent rest (to allow the battery to recover) until it fires. It'll often fire up at this in which case, I just knock the fuel on and away you go.

If I've done say 6 cycles, I'd then try fuel on, choke on and start as normal. I would not however, touch the throttle.


That bike must have the former British Bike Anti-theft System fitted.

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Some bikes don't need any throttle but mostly they need a bit of air to lean the mixture. If difficult starting is experienced.
Carb. settings (or carb. conditions due to service/abuse) can affect starting. Like a very retarded spark will start any engine but the same setting won't let the engine run at a 'working' speed. (Auto-Advance stuff)
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tried stinkwheel's flooded technique tonight but no dice, checked plugs and cables again and the spark looked a little dull In the half light so I am going to get a new set of plugs tomorrow and also trim the leads. Here's hoping...
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 05 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trimmed the leads where they looked a little crusty, new plugs and it fired up straight away. Voltage over the battery a constant 14.1V when running.

Fingers crossed the problem doesn't come back.

Thanks for the advice.
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