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JonWal
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Lifesaver Checks when pulling off.. Reply with quote

Hi All, with regards to the MOD1 and MOD 2 tests and Lifesavers.

Trying to get in as much practice as posible before my DAS corse next month, but have a query on the lifesavers.

I know on MOD1 its Lifesavers both sides before moving off, but is this the same on MOD2? Say you're sitting in traffic, you come to a stop. Before pulling off, lifesaver left then right?

Thanks all, just want to get into good habits now.

Cheers, Jon
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

it depends if you are on single lane simple mirror check will be fine.

You do left or right lifesaver only if you expect something to come from some direction like multiple lanes or you are going in that direction.

Just relax. Constantly doing unnecessary lifesavers will just unsettle your ride and balance.
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

True. I actually got 2 minors in my Mod 2 for TOO MANY lifesavers (at a clear roundabout I did one, continued, then to be safe I would do another to ensure it was still clear. Was told it wasn't necessary)

Lifesavers when changing direction/speed, and keep checking mirrors. THAT you can't do too many times
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Re: Lifesaver Checks when pulling off.. Reply with quote

JonWal wrote:
Say you're sitting in traffic, you come to a stop. Before pulling off, lifesaver left then right?


Here we go again!

On the road (Mod 2) lifesavers are for when you change lane position, to check there is nothing in the blind spot you are moving into.

You do not need to do a lifesaver when pulling away in traffic, or at lights because you are not moving over, just forwards. Do a quick mirror check, that's all you need. Ignore any other advice you get.

Lifesavers are for pulling away from the kerb, u turns, changing lane position. Mirror checks are for changes in speed.
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Four-point check Reply with quote

I was taught to do a "four-point check" before moving off, in all situations.

Left shoulder, left mirror, right mirror, right shoulder.

The reasoning was that cyclists could be anywhere!

I'm not saying I actually do that in the real world, but it's how I was taught. Both instructors I had when I did my DAS drilled it into me - "four-point check before moving off".

I did it that way on both MOD1 and MOD2, and passed with no minors.

YMMV.
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Re: Lifesaver Checks when pulling off.. Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:

On the road (Mod 2) lifesavers are for when you change lane position, to check there is nothing in the blind spot you are moving into.

You do not need to do a lifesaver when pulling away in traffic, or at lights because you are not moving over, just forwards. Do a quick mirror check, that's all you need. Ignore any other advice you get.

Lifesavers are for pulling away from the kerb, u turns, changing lane position. Mirror checks are for changes in speed.

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PostPosted: 15:37 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Re: Lifesaver Checks when pulling off.. Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
JonWal wrote:
Say you're sitting in traffic, you come to a stop. Before pulling off, lifesaver left then right?


Here we go again!

On the road (Mod 2) lifesavers are for when you change lane position, to check there is nothing in the blind spot you are moving into.

You do not need to do a lifesaver when pulling away in traffic, or at lights because you are not moving over, just forwards. Do a quick mirror check, that's all you need. Ignore any other advice you get.

Lifesavers are for pulling away from the kerb, u turns, changing lane position. Mirror checks are for changes in speed.


Thats fine, its just looking at the MOD 1 tests on youtube, they're checking both sides before moving off. I just wanted to know if this was or was not the same for the Road test.

Thanks for your reply.
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Re: Lifesaver Checks when pulling off.. Reply with quote

JonWal wrote:
Hi All, with regards to the MOD1 and MOD 2 tests and Lifesavers.

Trying to get in as much practice as posible before my DAS corse next month, but have a query on the lifesavers.

I know on MOD1 its Lifesavers both sides before moving off, but is this the same on MOD2? Say you're sitting in traffic, you come to a stop. Before pulling off, lifesaver left then right?

Thanks all, just want to get into good habits now.

Cheers, Jon


Just don't believe everything you read on the internet about life savers. I did that and got shouted at by the instructor on my first training ride, because I was doing way too many of them and it destabilized my riding.

What really sorted me out after that was to ride behind the instructor and watch what he was doing, including life savers, I just copied him and it made me a much better rider, so I'd recommend that to anybody. If you've only ever ridden on your own or in front of an instructor you're missing the vital step in your training of actually seeing what you're meant to be doing, as opposed to just being told. I was surprised how few life savers he actually did, vs. just checking the mirrors.

Anyhow to answer your question, having just done my mod 2 last week, I did the lifesaver over both shoulders thing after stop and passed, so you can't go wrong with that one at least. One week with my own bike now though, I more often than not just check the mirrors though Embarassed, unless I'm turning left or right after a light.
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the Mod 1, you are told at the start - treat the area like you are on a public road.

Lifesavers are for changes in position, direction, when joining flowing traffic, moving off etc. In the Mod 1 all that is required is a simple lifesaver as you move off for each exercise - and appropriate observations at the u turn. We wont mark people who do the four point thing after they stop on the Mod 1 - but we do have a chuckle at how stupid it looks.
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 05 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find a lifesaver shoulder check before pulling off to be especially beneficial
if I am sitting in front of the PC and I'm not sure if the wife has gone to bed.
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 05 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was taught to check left and right shoulders before pulling off, at all times.

If I came to a line of traffic and was stopped for more than 5 seconds I was told to check both left and right shoulders before moving off.

I done it on Mod 1 and Mod 2, and didn't get any minors for too many lifesavers.

I'd just do them anyway, that way if you have an anal examiner, you got it covered.

Then when you pass, do what everyone else does, and don't bother with lifesavers when pulling away from lights, or slow moving traffic etc...
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 05 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make sure you check everything on MOD1 before you pull away after your emergency stop.

I was told to check over my shoulder before pulling away in traffic too, and still do now.
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 05 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

JonWal wrote:
Trying to get in as much practice as posible before my DAS corse next month


Wait until you start your training and then ask the instructor the long list of questions you have in your head, that's what they're there for and that's what your paying them for.

The instructors will know from local knowledge and past experience what the DSA examiners in that area do and don't like and what they pick up on fail students on and therefore adjust their training accordingly providing obvious tips and practically telling you how to get through the tests.

Module 1 is simple, shoulder check on both sides before moving away on anything and after stopping and a good look around at the scenery of the test pad on the manual handling, you'll pick it all up during your training.

FYI if you ride a 125 you've already got the hard part of the way the rest is an adjustment of power and weight and using some NSL's.

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PostPosted: 06:10 - 06 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I generally just close the door when I'm pulling off Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 07:35 - 06 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^
I thought this thread was about something else too, my lifesaver checks are
1. making sure the curtains are properly closed

2. That the Mrs has been out at least 10 minutes and hasn't forgotten anything.

3. Glop mop is in reach before I get too carried away.

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PostPosted: 09:20 - 06 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

NJD wrote:
JonWal wrote:
Trying to get in as much practice as posible before my DAS corse next month


Wait until you start your training and then ask the instructor the long list of questions you have in your head, that's what they're there for and that's what your paying them for.

The instructors will know from local knowledge and past experience what the DSA examiners in that area do and don't like and what they pick up on fail students on and therefore adjust their training accordingly providing obvious tips and practically telling you how to get through the tests.


Thank you NJD, I hear what you're saying.

As I do have the slight advantage (owning a 125) of being able to get into good habits before my DAS it would be foolish of me not to at least gain the knowledge and try to apply it before hand.

I could give the DAS company a call to get them to clarify it.
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PostPosted: 09:21 - 06 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

...And thanks everyone else for the pulling off tips.

I will ensure I keep the sound down and check over my shoulder before clicking that 'Play' button Laughing
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