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bigdom86
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 31 Aug 2015    Post subject: hazard perception tips Reply with quote

hi guys/girls

have my theory test this weekend, pretty confident on the MCQ but the hazard perception part i was wondering if anyone had tips for it?

i am a bit confused of how often to press the button as it can fail you for pressing too many times, for example if you see someone in distance about to cross road or walking beside road you would click once, do you then click again once your nearer the hazard for example?

thanks
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 31 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I may be wrong but as long as you don't do several fast consecutive clicks e.g. double clicks. it wont register as a fail.

I usually click a hazard 3 times. When I first see it, when I think the computer wants me to see it and one just after I think the computer wants me to see it.
Usually about a second and a half between each click.
The hazard perception test is flawed but once you know how it works it is rather easy to pass. Passing the test itself doesn't really have much to do with how perceptive you are.

I've passed the Car, Motorbike and HGV test so I have a fair bit of experience with this test Mr. Green .
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 31 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

adam277 wrote:
I usually click a hazard 3 times. When I first see it, when I think the computer wants me to see it and one just after I think the computer wants me to see it.
Usually about a second and a half between each click.


^^^ This.

Have you got training DVD? The real test requires the same mouse clickery skills.
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 31 Aug 2015    Post subject: re Reply with quote

thanks guys i will do that, i dont have the training dvd just the book so cannot master the clicky skills using that, have used some online free ones though
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PostPosted: 00:38 - 01 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Click becasue is looks like a hazard, count "potato" or suchlike click again in case you were too fast the first time.

I did this in all but one of my haz-per scenes, and got full marks, the other I clicked once, and didn't click again and didn't score.
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PostPosted: 01:03 - 01 Sep 2015    Post subject: Re: hazard perception tips Reply with quote

bigdom86 wrote:
have my theory test this weekend, pretty confident on the MCQ but the hazard perception part i was wondering if anyone had tips for it?


One tip I picked up while doing mine: their definition of a 'hazard' is 'something that would cause you to slow down or change direction', so if the biker in the video doesn't do that, that wasn't the hazard they wanted you to spot.

(I found it a rather surreal experience: I kept trying to look over my shoulder, which of course wasn't helping Confused)

bigdom86 wrote:
i am a bit confused of how often to press the button as it can fail you for pressing too many times, for example if you see someone in distance about to cross road or walking beside road you would click once, do you then click again once your nearer the hazard for example?


I don't think it's possible to click too early: the timer for the hazards they care about starts as soon as anything at all is visible. (They arrange the clips so they work like that.) But, the 'don't click in a pattern' bit is just to stop people going clicky-clicky-clicky and trying to pass by fluke; as long as you're not taking the piss, it won't matter if you click too much.
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PostPosted: 08:43 - 01 Sep 2015    Post subject: Re: hazard perception tips Reply with quote

mauzo wrote:

One tip I picked up while doing mine: their definition of a 'hazard' is 'something that would cause you to slow down or change direction', so if the biker in the video doesn't do that, that wasn't the hazard they wanted you to spot.


This.

But to add a little here, they specifically are looking at "developing" hazards. Just because it does not look like you will need to change speed/direction when you first see the cyclist, it does not mean that the situation will not change. Be ready to click until you are fully past anything that looks like a potential hazard.

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I don't think it's possible to click too early: the timer for the hazards they care about starts as soon as anything at all is visible. (They arrange the clips so they work like that.) But, the 'don't click in a pattern' bit is just to stop people going clicky-clicky-clicky and trying to pass by fluke; as long as you're not taking the piss, it won't matter if you click too much.


Not quite and it is indeed possible to click too early. Some of the training DVDs and apps explain when the scoring zones start and why. It goes back to that word "developing" again. All of the elements that contribute to the hazard may be visible so on the screen but scoring will not start until whoever makes the clips thinks that you should notice something.

You may think that tractor at the side road is likely to pull out on you but you will not score anything until it actually shows some intention of doing so. A narrow, humped back bridge is a hazard. But it is not a developing hazard until something is coming the other way and you score nothing for assuming something might do so, even if it does seconds later.

My advice, click if something looks like a hazard but click again if something changes. It's not perfect but there is a good chance you will pick up a few points if the first click was too early. Taking the piss may set off the anti cheating algorithm but I have yet to do so using this tactic, either in practice or doing the real thing.
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PostPosted: 09:27 - 01 Sep 2015    Post subject: Re: hazard perception tips Reply with quote

mauzo wrote:
I don't think it's possible to click too early: the timer for the hazards they care about starts as soon as anything at all is visible. (They arrange the clips so they work like that.)

That's exactly the opposite of what happened in all the sample clips and training tests that I did that showed the scores afterwards.

Pretty much every time I clicked before the scoring zone began. That might not be representative of the DVSA exam, but what else do we have to go on?

The expectation seems to be that you need to click in some magical sweet spot just before you'd have to actually anchor on or swerve.

Utter tosh, but it's just a game, don't sweat it. Click, "bollocks", click "bollocks-and-a-half," click, win.
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 01 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I noticed that they didn't care much for potential hazards, which is what I would always try to click on. If I clicked for a potential hazard, it never became scoreable until it developed to such a stage that it was actually a hazard that would require a reaction.

So I also adopted the multiple click approach. I would click for the potential hazard, again when it had developed, and maybe inbetween depending on how long it took to develop.
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PostPosted: 01:26 - 02 Sep 2015    Post subject: Re: hazard perception tips Reply with quote

bigdom86 wrote:
hi guys/girls

have my theory test this weekend, pretty confident on the MCQ but the hazard perception part i was wondering if anyone had tips for it?

i am a bit confused of how often to press the button as it can fail you for pressing too many times, for example if you see someone in distance about to cross road or walking beside road you would click once, do you then click again once your nearer the hazard for example?

thanks


The trick is from my experience, just don't overthink it. The "hazards" they're looking for are things along the line of someone just blindly walking into the road in front of you, or swerving into your lane, not subtle things like a dog walking a long the pavement that could potentially jump out in front of you. It's more a test that you're not blind and/or senile in that sense.

What I did was just click as I saw the hazard development, then click two or three times as it was happening. I think to fail because of too many clicks you have to sit there hammering the mouse Smile
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PostPosted: 07:44 - 02 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no trick to it, as much as people like to think there is. Just sit the test and watch the vid and press the button when you think you spot a relevant hazard. Don't sweat over it.
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 02 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was panicking before i had my test about this as i was failing the online demo types.

When it is explained in the test though i got it......

Basically there are around 14 different video clips, all except one clip will have '1' developing hazard, the other will have several.

Click each time you see a potential hazard, and when you see that you need to swerve or brake hard just click again....... simples
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 02 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

the clips in the hazard perception feel like they're taken from Miss Daisy's driver dash-cam, the hazards will be blatantly obvious in most cases; really, you'd have to be in a coma to miss them.
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 03 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

As others has stated, the score line opens once whoever made the clip wants you to see the hazard that is going to cause you to slow down and/or change direction.
As aceslock said there is around 14 clips which one clip has 2 hazards so just be wary of that.
They explain this before you start the test and if I remember correctly they show you are practice one before you actually start (I may be wrong but pretty sure they did when I did mine).

Don't stress too much it was pretty easy and the first time I did mine I scored 66/77 Very Happy
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 04 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think the art is not to think to hard about the Hazards, and look for the obvious ones, I took one of these a few years back and came close to failing (I'm a trained emergency services response driver and kept on seeing minor hazards everywhere and failing segments due to over clicking) I found that just looking for the major hazards only worked though. Good luck
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 04 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vandervecken wrote:
Think the art is not to think to hard about the Hazards, and look for the obvious ones, I took one of these a few years back and came close to failing (I'm a trained emergency services response driver and kept on seeing minor hazards everywhere and failing segments due to over clicking) I found that just looking for the major hazards only worked though. Good luck


Depends what you could as major. It could conceivably be something as simple as a bus stopping. Not what I would consider "major". Occasionally the telltale signs can be pretty obscure too, at least to get max points. This was a practice one but allegedly from an official clip. I kid you not that 5 points required that you spot the reflection of a car in a house window, as it approached a junction with no plans on stopping.

It is possible to over think it but I would also contend that treating it like an everyday driving/riding situation would be an easy way to fail badly. Its more like a video game than actually being on the road, especially with the newer, CGI clips. At least the older ones mainly looked like genuine situations (I think that is what they were). The newer ones often seem pretty staged and artificial.
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