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 Posted: 10:31 - 14 Sep 2015 Post subject: Re: Moped That Doesn't Sound Like A Hairdryer... |
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| c0tt0n.3y3 wrote: | I'm thinking a 125cc should suffice |
OK. Presumably you're 17 or older.
| c0tt0n.3y3 wrote: | for my cbt |
A bike or a twist-and-go scooter will be provided.
| c0tt0n.3y3 wrote: | I also don't really like the look of normal mopeds |
Mopeds are <=50cc <=45kph (or thereabouts), and can be geared bikes, or twist-and-go scooters.
Anything over 50cc or ~45kph is not a moped.
| c0tt0n.3y3 wrote: | I'm a big dirt bike fan |
Get a 125cc dirt/trail/enduro stylee bike or supermoto then. Why even consider a twist-and-go?
One reason might be that offroad stylee bikes are pikey magnets, but to be fair they'll knick anything.
Horse before the cart, do your CBT and see how you get on. You'll be in a far better position to decide once you've tried a bike.
InB4 Varadero, by the way. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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| stevo as b4 wrote: | | mauzo wrote: | You haven't said how old you are, but if you're over 24 it might be worth considering doing DAS (ie. doing your full bike licence in one go), even if you don't intend to get a bike bigger than a 125 right now. You (can) end up spending a whole lot less on tests and training and so on, and it gives you a chance to try out a bigger bike and see if maybe you like it.
As Roger said, though, get your CBT done first, before you spend any other money. That'll give you much more of an idea of what you want to do next. |
The bloke asked about a 7mile cheap to run commuter scooter, and your telling him DAS? Should he get Fireblade on finance too to practice on and ride around with the instructor? |
Feck yes, he should! Life's too short.  ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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An electric scoot will cover your seven miles no problem and will make no sound whatsoever.
Depending on the type, you may not even require a licence.
For a 7 mile commute, it is well worth considering. I have a 10 mile commute and I'll be honest, if a) I didn't have to lug a van full of equipment with me and b) I was paying for the fuel. Electric motorbike is where I'd be at. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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| stevo as b4 wrote: | | mauzo wrote: | You haven't said how old you are, but if you're over 24 it might be worth considering doing DAS (ie. doing your full bike licence in one go), even if you don't intend to get a bike bigger than a 125 right now. You (can) end up spending a whole lot less on tests and training and so on, and it gives you a chance to try out a bigger bike and see if maybe you like it.
As Roger said, though, get your CBT done first, before you spend any other money. That'll give you much more of an idea of what you want to do next. |
The bloke asked about a 7mile cheap to run commuter scooter, and your telling him DAS? Should he get Fireblade on finance too to practice on and ride around with the instructor? |
Fair point. However, looking a little further ahead than his immediate needs might not be a bad idea. Just because he has an A licence doesn't mean he can't get a cheap little scooter or 125 for now, and the licence is done forever. ____________________ '04 CG125, '07 CBF500 |
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I love the idea of how running costs for an EV could pan out, I think the savings are greater with car's than bikes though, especially when your talking 100mpg fuel sipper's.
The purchase price, and depreciation at the age where battery packs are getting close to cactus is the real issue. Range in an EV car for me would 90% of the time never be a problem. For the people doing occasional longer journey's there:
1, Range extenders ( I dislike them due to the extra cost, and complication and that having an I.C engine defeats EV propulsion somewhat too)
2, The chances that councils and government schemes will bang in a lot more fast charge points in cities, towns, park and ride centres, and service stations etc.
3, Inductive through the road charging will be here soon on some new busy major roads.
Mauzo, I do see your point too, but I think (may be wrong?) that it's BCF mass mentality to say if your 24> you should be doing DAS on a big bike only or GTFO?
There's plenty of merit to getting all the tests out of the way so you can ride anything you like even if you don't need a machine that requires such a license. But the real issue here is that:
1, There's nothing inbetween these days, due to the ruined licensing system. Can you even do an A2 test at 24>?
2, They have forced old guys to take and pass tests on big bikes, when they might have say a 100cc and 1100cc bike, and spent 90% of the time on the little bike and have tens/hundreds of thousands of miles of experience on the roads.
My issue with doing DAS is firstly if OP can afford to, will he want a 125 fuel sipper after a 100bhp training and test bike?
And how much extra will he pay to do a course/training than doing an A1 license for the vehicle that suits his needs?
Oh and only live once/must have fireblade now?
I rode one over 10years ago, have never owned one though and I ride silly kids bikes. That must make me very dead inside I guess? |
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| stevo as b4 wrote: |
1, There's nothing inbetween these days, due to the ruined licensing system. Can you even do an A2 test at 24>?
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My issue with doing DAS is firstly if OP can afford to, will he want a 125 fuel sipper after a 100bhp training and test bike?
And how much extra will he pay to do a course/training than doing an A1 license for the vehicle that suits his needs?
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Yes, you can. But the cost is likely to be the same so I doubt many would. Hell, it probably no more than a couple of hundred more to get a full license than to do A1, which makes that less appealing. If you could at least get to ride a 250-300 on A1, that might make it more tempting.
I gather that I could do the A1 tests without an instructor in the picture but then I still have not really been taught anything new. I'm still just as safe as I otherwise would be on L plates, I just don't have to wear them anymore and get a few benefits that will make little difference to me day to day. If I want professional training before passing, the current system makes anything less than full A seem a bit silly.
All of which does kind of leave me in the situation that you describe. I'm actually kind of enjoying riding my YBR, since trading the scooter for it. I may get bored of it in my own time but it is still fairly well suited to my needs for now. Going full A will likely hasten that boredom and leave me wanting a bike that is harder to justify. I think I shall be aiming to get my big boy license in the new year though, before my CBT runs out. |
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| KnightsFall wrote: | Yes, you can. But the cost is likely to be the same so I doubt many would. Hell, it probably no more than a couple of hundred more to get a full license than to do A1, which makes that less appealing. If you could at least get to ride a 250-300 on A1, that might make it more tempting.
I gather that I could do the A1 tests without an instructor in the picture but then I still have not really been taught anything new. I'm still just as safe as I otherwise would be on L plates, I just don't have to wear them anymore and get a few benefits that will make little difference to me day to day. If I want professional training before passing, the current system makes anything less than full A seem a bit silly. |
Yep, that's my point really. I actually rather doubt very many people would be able to pass even A1 first time without any training; mod1 sure, you just practice, but you only have to make one important mistake on mod2 to fail, and that's a lot harder to avoid if you haven't spent a day or two with an instructor being picky in your ear. And if you're going to pay for retakes then you'd probably have been better off paying for the training in the first place; and if you're paying for training, you might as well do it on a 600 and get a more useful licence at the end. ____________________ '04 CG125, '07 CBF500 |
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| mauzo wrote: | I actually rather doubt very many people would be able to pass even A1 first time without any training |
What? Loads of us did it on our own bikes when it made sense to do so.
| mauzo wrote: | And if you're going to pay for retakes then you'd probably have been better off paying for the training in the first place |
Piffle. £75 a pop for the test, versus £150 a day for decent training and £75 a pop for the test.
You're not going to pass during a training session, so just keep sitting the test.
| mauzo wrote: | if you're paying for training, you might as well do it on a 600 and get a more useful licence at the end. |
Well, no argument there. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 10 years, 359 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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