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c0tt0n.3y3
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PostPosted: 09:57 - 14 Sep 2015    Post subject: Moped That Doesn't Sound Like A Hairdryer... Reply with quote

Hi, so I'm brand new to this. I'm investing on a bike cbt etc for a way to get to work which is about 7 miles away, I'm thinking a 125cc should suffice for my cbt and provisional until I get my full one, but I'm wanting something that doesn't scream as it moves aha, I also don't really like the look of normal mopeds (I'm a big dirt bike fan :3) so I'm not sure what my options are, could someone please help?
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 14 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends on your age.

If 17 just get a geared 125's, scooters are for nerds (I had one at first, am a nerd).

If 16, wait till you're 17 if you can, otherwise I don't think I'd advise a geared 49cc bike, it's a pain to have to change gear constantly. 49cc 4 stroke's are common enough. My brother had an Aprillia RX50 and it was a bloody 6 speed, it sounded like the bike John Connor had in Terminator 2, just to get to 30mph.

The hair dryer sound is older 2 stroke mopeds.
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 14 Sep 2015    Post subject: Re: Moped That Doesn't Sound Like A Hairdryer... Reply with quote

c0tt0n.3y3 wrote:
I'm thinking a 125cc should suffice

OK. Presumably you're 17 or older.

c0tt0n.3y3 wrote:
for my cbt

A bike or a twist-and-go scooter will be provided.

c0tt0n.3y3 wrote:
I also don't really like the look of normal mopeds

Mopeds are <=50cc <=45kph (or thereabouts), and can be geared bikes, or twist-and-go scooters.

Anything over 50cc or ~45kph is not a moped.


c0tt0n.3y3 wrote:
I'm a big dirt bike fan

Get a 125cc dirt/trail/enduro stylee bike or supermoto then. Why even consider a twist-and-go?

One reason might be that offroad stylee bikes are pikey magnets, but to be fair they'll knick anything.

Horse before the cart, do your CBT and see how you get on. You'll be in a far better position to decide once you've tried a bike.

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PostPosted: 11:06 - 14 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You want cheap and reliable, may be with a certain look. I recommend kymco bikes whether that be scooters or motorbikes.

Plenty of secondhand options, don't hold value so cheap, reason for this is they are not Japanese but build quality is absolutely fine and getting parts no problem.

Fancy the cruiser look go for the zing, the street look then the cbk or pipe.

None will have the hairdryer sound. Then again the usual work the ybr's and the CBF or whatever.
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 14 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I can tell, the mopeds buzzing round my way sound more like garden strimmers than hairdriers. The 125 scooters possibly sound more like lawn mowers in general, though 125 geared bikes can sound decent.
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 14 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You haven't said how old you are, but if you're over 24 it might be worth considering doing DAS (ie. doing your full bike licence in one go), even if you don't intend to get a bike bigger than a 125 right now. You (can) end up spending a whole lot less on tests and training and so on, and it gives you a chance to try out a bigger bike and see if maybe you like it.

As Roger said, though, get your CBT done first, before you spend any other money. That'll give you much more of an idea of what you want to do next.
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 14 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

mauzo wrote:
You haven't said how old you are, but if you're over 24 it might be worth considering doing DAS (ie. doing your full bike licence in one go), even if you don't intend to get a bike bigger than a 125 right now. You (can) end up spending a whole lot less on tests and training and so on, and it gives you a chance to try out a bigger bike and see if maybe you like it.

As Roger said, though, get your CBT done first, before you spend any other money. That'll give you much more of an idea of what you want to do next.


The bloke asked about a 7mile cheap to run commuter scooter, and your telling him DAS? Should he get Fireblade on finance too to practice on and ride around with the instructor?
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 14 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
mauzo wrote:
You haven't said how old you are, but if you're over 24 it might be worth considering doing DAS (ie. doing your full bike licence in one go), even if you don't intend to get a bike bigger than a 125 right now. You (can) end up spending a whole lot less on tests and training and so on, and it gives you a chance to try out a bigger bike and see if maybe you like it.

As Roger said, though, get your CBT done first, before you spend any other money. That'll give you much more of an idea of what you want to do next.


The bloke asked about a 7mile cheap to run commuter scooter, and your telling him DAS? Should he get Fireblade on finance too to practice on and ride around with the instructor?


Feck yes, he should! Life's too short. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 14 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

An electric scoot will cover your seven miles no problem and will make no sound whatsoever.

Depending on the type, you may not even require a licence.

For a 7 mile commute, it is well worth considering. I have a 10 mile commute and I'll be honest, if a) I didn't have to lug a van full of equipment with me and b) I was paying for the fuel. Electric motorbike is where I'd be at.
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 14 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I'll be honest, if a) I didn't have to lug a van full of equipment with me and b) I was paying for the fuel. Electric motorbike is where I'd be at.


Arrrg... My eyes... What am I reading? Shocked

We've lost Stinkwheel to the Volta movement. Sad
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PostPosted: 22:24 - 14 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
mauzo wrote:
You haven't said how old you are, but if you're over 24 it might be worth considering doing DAS (ie. doing your full bike licence in one go), even if you don't intend to get a bike bigger than a 125 right now. You (can) end up spending a whole lot less on tests and training and so on, and it gives you a chance to try out a bigger bike and see if maybe you like it.

As Roger said, though, get your CBT done first, before you spend any other money. That'll give you much more of an idea of what you want to do next.


The bloke asked about a 7mile cheap to run commuter scooter, and your telling him DAS? Should he get Fireblade on finance too to practice on and ride around with the instructor?


Fair point. However, looking a little further ahead than his immediate needs might not be a bad idea. Just because he has an A licence doesn't mean he can't get a cheap little scooter or 125 for now, and the licence is done forever.
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 14 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:

Arrrg... My eyes... What am I reading? Shocked

We've lost Stinkwheel to the Volta movement. Sad


Have you SEEN what electric motorbikes are doing these days?

The issue they have is range, and to a greater degree, styling or idiocy therein (because eco-warriors). Not performance.

I'm under no illusions about their environmental credentials, they are an inefficient way of utilising electricity which is remotely generated by burning fossil fuels and powered using propulsion systems constructed from scarce and unsustainable resources. BUT they cost fuck-all to run and go like shit off a wet shovel.
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 15 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most 'screamers' are 50cc 2 stroke scoots being ragged about and they sound like Flymos to me.
Most 4 stroke 125s will be pretty quiet and 'whirry' if unmolested.
I'd live with it if all you want is reliable work transport.
Tuning them is pretty pointless and ripping out baffles to get a throaty/sporty sound can bugger up the mixture unless you know what you're doing.
No1 son hacks to work and back on a cheap Kymco Pulsar 125 and it's been pretty damn reliable so far so we cant really fault it.

I know theres a strong 'if it aint jap it's crap' lobby here but in my opinion and experince the worst thing to happen to a bike is its owner, so I'd have a well maintained older bike over newer neglected abused one any day

Geared bike or scoot is up to you
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 15 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
BUT they cost fuck-all to run

Factoring in purchase price and depreciation?

There are none available used barring an occasional Whang Dong JoyZoom, and would you buy a used and obsolete power pack anyway?

I'm interested in what the PES/PED 1 might offer, but I can't think of any of the current crop that tempt me.

Which one would (and could) you buy today?
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 15 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love the idea of how running costs for an EV could pan out, I think the savings are greater with car's than bikes though, especially when your talking 100mpg fuel sipper's.

The purchase price, and depreciation at the age where battery packs are getting close to cactus is the real issue. Range in an EV car for me would 90% of the time never be a problem. For the people doing occasional longer journey's there:

1, Range extenders ( I dislike them due to the extra cost, and complication and that having an I.C engine defeats EV propulsion somewhat too)

2, The chances that councils and government schemes will bang in a lot more fast charge points in cities, towns, park and ride centres, and service stations etc.

3, Inductive through the road charging will be here soon on some new busy major roads.


Mauzo, I do see your point too, but I think (may be wrong?) that it's BCF mass mentality to say if your 24> you should be doing DAS on a big bike only or GTFO?

There's plenty of merit to getting all the tests out of the way so you can ride anything you like even if you don't need a machine that requires such a license. But the real issue here is that:

1, There's nothing inbetween these days, due to the ruined licensing system. Can you even do an A2 test at 24>?

2, They have forced old guys to take and pass tests on big bikes, when they might have say a 100cc and 1100cc bike, and spent 90% of the time on the little bike and have tens/hundreds of thousands of miles of experience on the roads.

My issue with doing DAS is firstly if OP can afford to, will he want a 125 fuel sipper after a 100bhp training and test bike?
And how much extra will he pay to do a course/training than doing an A1 license for the vehicle that suits his needs?

Oh and only live once/must have fireblade now?

I rode one over 10years ago, have never owned one though and I ride silly kids bikes. That must make me very dead inside I guess?
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 15 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:

1, There's nothing inbetween these days, due to the ruined licensing system. Can you even do an A2 test at 24>?

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My issue with doing DAS is firstly if OP can afford to, will he want a 125 fuel sipper after a 100bhp training and test bike?
And how much extra will he pay to do a course/training than doing an A1 license for the vehicle that suits his needs?


Yes, you can. But the cost is likely to be the same so I doubt many would. Hell, it probably no more than a couple of hundred more to get a full license than to do A1, which makes that less appealing. If you could at least get to ride a 250-300 on A1, that might make it more tempting.

I gather that I could do the A1 tests without an instructor in the picture but then I still have not really been taught anything new. I'm still just as safe as I otherwise would be on L plates, I just don't have to wear them anymore and get a few benefits that will make little difference to me day to day. If I want professional training before passing, the current system makes anything less than full A seem a bit silly.

All of which does kind of leave me in the situation that you describe. I'm actually kind of enjoying riding my YBR, since trading the scooter for it. I may get bored of it in my own time but it is still fairly well suited to my needs for now. Going full A will likely hasten that boredom and leave me wanting a bike that is harder to justify. I think I shall be aiming to get my big boy license in the new year though, before my CBT runs out.
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 15 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

KnightsFall wrote:
Yes, you can. But the cost is likely to be the same so I doubt many would. Hell, it probably no more than a couple of hundred more to get a full license than to do A1, which makes that less appealing. If you could at least get to ride a 250-300 on A1, that might make it more tempting.

I gather that I could do the A1 tests without an instructor in the picture but then I still have not really been taught anything new. I'm still just as safe as I otherwise would be on L plates, I just don't have to wear them anymore and get a few benefits that will make little difference to me day to day. If I want professional training before passing, the current system makes anything less than full A seem a bit silly.


Yep, that's my point really. I actually rather doubt very many people would be able to pass even A1 first time without any training; mod1 sure, you just practice, but you only have to make one important mistake on mod2 to fail, and that's a lot harder to avoid if you haven't spent a day or two with an instructor being picky in your ear. And if you're going to pay for retakes then you'd probably have been better off paying for the training in the first place; and if you're paying for training, you might as well do it on a 600 and get a more useful licence at the end.
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PostPosted: 06:31 - 16 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:


1, There's nothing inbetween these days, due to the ruined licensing system. Can you even do an A2 test at 24>?

2, They have forced old guys to take and pass tests on big bikes, when they might have say a 100cc and 1100cc bike, and spent 90% of the time on the little bike and have tens/hundreds of thousands of miles of experience on the roads.


Guy did this when I did MOD1 with him. He has failed it first time. Decided that it would be easier on a cb400 the instructor had, so did it on that. Couldn't figure it out myself as I wasn't sure that it would actually be any easier to do a u turn on that than the Gladius I was using that day. He used the bike I was on when he put a foot down.
He wanted an Enfield, so I guess his logic was sort of there. A2 would work for him. I just couldn't see the advantage, only possible future pitfalls.
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 16 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

mauzo wrote:
I actually rather doubt very many people would be able to pass even A1 first time without any training

What? Loads of us did it on our own bikes when it made sense to do so.


mauzo wrote:
And if you're going to pay for retakes then you'd probably have been better off paying for the training in the first place

Piffle. £75 a pop for the test, versus £150 a day for decent training and £75 a pop for the test.

You're not going to pass during a training session, so just keep sitting the test.


mauzo wrote:
if you're paying for training, you might as well do it on a 600 and get a more useful licence at the end.

Well, no argument there.
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 16 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
BUT they cost fuck-all to run

Factoring in purchase price and depreciation?

There are none available used barring an occasional Whang Dong JoyZoom, and would you buy a used and obsolete power pack anyway?

I'm interested in what the PES/PED 1 might offer, but I can't think of any of the current crop that tempt me.

Which one would (and could) you buy today?

I haven't looked into them in great dfetail because I'm not currently in the market for one.

Remember, my motorcycle purchasing habits don't necessarily leave a lot to logic. Smile

For example, I've now spent more than the purchase price of my current "main" bike on brakes and suspension upgrades for it.

The fact there are no electric bikes available second hand could be read in one of two ways...
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