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PostPosted: 22:14 - 16 Sep 2015    Post subject: Garage/Workspace London Reply with quote

After being away from the UK for the past four years and pretty much off bikes I have returned and done what I said I would not do again and bought a motorbike. Its a BMW K1100 and needs a fair amount of TLC to get back up to its former glory.

I've bought all the bits I need, Plugs, Oil, Filters, Pads and have all the tools but I'm now living in Soho and its pretty much impossible to work on in the street without being hassled by drug addicts begging for change or being rained on everytime I bring the tools down.

Just wondering if any kind BCF people in London might have access to a garage or closed area where I could work on it for a weekend? I would be happy to make a contribution Smile
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 16 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm also trying to fix up a tatty K1100 in the gutter, in Brixton, so plenty of addicts and people wanting to nick my tools if I go indoors for a minute. Maybe we should start a club. Gutter Monkeys?
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PostPosted: 00:20 - 17 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm also trying to fix up a tatty K1100 in the gutter, in Brixton, so plenty of addicts and people wanting to nick my tools if I go indoors for a minute. Maybe we should start a club. Gutter Monkeys?



A Tatty K1100? No garage? What are the chances! From your previous bike history it looks like you have become a bit of a boring old sod like myself Smile

When I was in Australia there was such a thing as rent-able workshops which you could rent by the hour, it was reasonably cheap, I believe roughly 10 quid an hour. The fee would provide you with access to a range of tools, the site itself as well as an on site advisor/technician, presumably an ex mechanic. There was roughly 10 units on site and the supervisor would walk around giving people advice on their repairs and occasionally helping the most useless, often myself.

I always thought it was a great idea, never heard of a similar thing here in the UK.
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PostPosted: 01:24 - 17 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

London has that too, but more expensive: https://www.ovalmotorcyclecentre.co.uk/prices-and-facilities/
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PostPosted: 09:03 - 17 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pol Anorl wrote:
J.M. wrote:
London has that too, but more expensive: https://www.ovalmotorcyclecentre.co.uk/prices-and-facilities/

better off paying a mechanic to do it for you at those prices.

Why are you better off paying substantially more for some disinterested spanner monkey to do a half arsed job?

It's a brilliant idea and I'd be surprised if they're turning much if any profit at those prices in Lahndahn.
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PostPosted: 09:09 - 17 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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London has that too, but more expensive: https://www.ovalmotorcyclecentre.co.uk/prices-and-facilities/


Looks like a really nice facility, but its certainly not cheap! I actually have a mechanic who charges 40 an hour and is usually pretty fast though in this case I have to lube the clutch output shaft which is a 4-6 hour job.
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 17 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I actually have a mechanic who charges 40 an hour

Including VAT? In London? <faints>
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PostPosted: 09:26 - 17 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
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I actually have a mechanic who charges 40 an hour

Including VAT? In London? <faints>


No this was back in Plymouth when I was in Uni. The guys workshop was actually on a farm hence the cheap price.
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 17 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've used Oval a few times. Mostly as I'm a mechanical Noob so it's good to have someone who knows that they're talking about to help. Matt (the mechanic there) knows what he's on about and is willing to help out when things get tricky. I guess it depends on your experience though, sounds like you know a fair bit more than me so would only really be using the bench, rather than Matt's knowledge. Just my Penny Coin Penny Coin

They do some offers so you can get bulk discount when buying your hours, not sure how much cheaper it makes it but worth looking (apologies if it's obvious on the site).

Can't think of anything else in London that offers a similar thing unless a kind BCF'er can help?
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 17 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a (reasonably sized) place I know of in East London but it's just garage space: warm, dry, with toilet and electricity, rather than "the facilities", at the moment. I expect you'd have to bring your own tools. Might be some there, dunno.

Let me ask what's going on over there at the moment, and I'll let you know, hopefully shortly.
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 17 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
London has that too, but more expensive: https://www.ovalmotorcyclecentre.co.uk/prices-and-facilities/


This is a damn good offer, I'd happily pay those prices, most jobs take under an hour, like a service. Plus you get all the sundries/tools needed. Not bad, link saved.
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 17 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should be able to pick the key up if anybody wants to use that East London workshop (somewhere in E17, about 10 mins off the North Circ) - and there are plenty of shops around there, even a Tesco metro.

I think he only wants his rent covered (about 40 quid a day, I think), but it's all very ad hoc at the moment, as he is in the process of setting up as a ?workshop himself, so it's fairly empty, spacious; looks like it's been used for car repairs in the past, too.

He might be amenable to storing a bike there temporarily, might have to enquire further on that front about storage costs, say if you didn't finish fixing it and had to come back; its prolly gonna be cheaper to store it than £40 a day, obvs. It certainly seems secure.

So if a few of you wanted to club together it would be cheaper than just one of you paying him £40 for each day (or paying me and I can give him the money if he's not around) (your money is safe with me, mwahahahahahaha).

Although there is electric, I think it's a pound-in-the-meter sort of arrangement anyway.

If I picked up the key from him and let you in and locked up again later, I could bring tea, coffee, sugar, milk and a kettle, cups, etc. for you guys to make use of. Maybe bickies if I was feeling nice, LOL.

As there is a communal loo (other lock-ups in the vicinity), I am presuming there is running water somewhere on the premises!

Anybody interested, let me know by PM, I'll talk to him a bit more.
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 17 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
London has that too, but more expensive: https://www.ovalmotorcyclecentre.co.uk/prices-and-facilities/


I've used OMC a few times too. Certainly gets my thumbs up.

As a mech noob, many jobs (obviously) took longer than they would down some other garage, as Matt walked me through exactly what needed to be done, double checked I did things correctly and took over for the particularly hard bits. So price wise, it didn't really work much cheaper than an average garage.

However, I learnt a lot, I knew the work was being done well to a high standard and I purchased the parts at competitive prices. Next time, I'll have a much better idea of what I'm doing, so will be able to get on with it quicker too. If you know what you're doing, you'll be able to just do the job and go.

It's a great place, a good vibe there, good mix of total newbies and experienced folk. No worries about working outside in the wet, not having the right tools or not quite sure if something is right.
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 17 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raf wrote:
A Tatty K1100? No garage? What are the chances! From your previous bike history it looks like you have become a bit of a boring old sod like myself Smile


I'm not ashamed to admit that I've always liked K1100s, especially the LT. Razz Most of my riding is in London and I find it very satisfying zipping around in a big old armchair. If I had something lighter and faster I'd only get into trouble. And I like the build quality, it's more like an aircraft than a bike. I reckon if I can get on top of the maintenance the bike will last as long as I do. I'm learning the maintenance from scratch, using Clymer and the internet, and it's slow going. Finally got my front brake sorted today - had to rebuild the master cylinder, and I'd never even bled a brake before. It feels really sharp now, makes me want to try a stoppie. But I daren't because someone knocked the bike over (again) the other night. Some of the people who park in my street are high. They smash into loads of things when they're parking, and they don't even notice. So now I have loose fairing panels and a bust indicator. And my brake lights have packed up. And the clock goes back to zero when you start the engine. Plenty to keep me busy. But I've just got permission to park in a private, gated street, so at least the bike is now safe from the hopheads.
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 17 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
I should be able to pick the key up if anybody wants to use that East London workshop (somewhere in E17, about 10 mins off the North Circ) - and there are plenty of shops around there, even a Tesco metro.

I think he only wants his rent covered (about 40 quid a day, I think), but it's all very ad hoc at the moment, as he is in the process of setting up as a ?workshop himself, so it's fairly empty, spacious; looks like it's been used for car repairs in the past, too.

He might be amenable to storing a bike there temporarily, might have to enquire further on that front about storage costs, say if you didn't finish fixing it and had to come back; its prolly gonna be cheaper to store it than £40 a day, obvs. It certainly seems secure.

So if a few of you wanted to club together it would be cheaper than just one of you paying him £40 for each day (or paying me and I can give him the money if he's not around) (your money is safe with me, mwahahahahahaha).

Although there is electric, I think it's a pound-in-the-meter sort of arrangement anyway.

If I picked up the key from him and let you in and locked up again later, I could bring tea, coffee, sugar, milk and a kettle, cups, etc. for you guys to make use of. Maybe bickies if I was feeling nice, LOL.

As there is a communal loo (other lock-ups in the vicinity), I am presuming there is running water somewhere on the premises!

Anybody interested, let me know by PM, I'll talk to him a bit more.



That sounds pretty awesome to me, I would be down to do it if anyone else wanted to? I actually have quite a few tools I can bring and experience if anyone needs help.

I actually have a friend who said I could use his garage on Saturday but would still be up for doing the garage thing if others got involved.

Some of the things I will be doing

Replace backlights in instruments
Repaint fairings
Replace fork seals
Replace Engine, transmission, fork and final drive oil
Replace spark plugs
Retap and possibly helicoil downpipe bolts threads (Some are stripped)
Replace some of the dash switches
Relube windscreen motor cables
Replace starter bushings
Relube driveshaft and clutch output splines (involved dropping gearbox)
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 17 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raf wrote:
Undinist wrote:
I'm also trying to fix up a tatty K1100 in the gutter, in Brixton, so plenty of addicts and people wanting to nick my tools if I go indoors for a minute. Maybe we should start a club. Gutter Monkeys?



A Tatty K1100? No garage? What are the chances! From your previous bike history it looks like you have become a bit of a boring old sod like myself Smile

When I was in Australia there was such a thing as rent-able workshops which you could rent by the hour, it was reasonably cheap, I believe roughly 10 quid an hour. The fee would provide you with access to a range of tools, the site itself as well as an on site advisor/technician, presumably an ex mechanic. There was roughly 10 units on site and the supervisor would walk around giving people advice on their repairs and occasionally helping the most useless, often myself.

I always thought it was a great idea, never heard of a similar thing here in the UK.


Back in the 80s, there was a UK chain of rent a ramp garages for cars - can't remember what they were called, Polarbear might be able to help, there was one in Milton Keynes.

Anyway, they lasted a few years, some branches longer than others, but they sank without trace in the end, the running costs outweighed the income, so there's not much chance for the relative minority sport of bikers to make a go of it

At £24 ph, that bike place seems like a steal; at your estimate of a 6 hour job, it would cost you twice that to buy a new bike ramp (which you ideally need to do a spline lube on a K) never mind enclosed, weatherproof and comfortable surroundings, plus all the tools and advice you need.

I would spend a few hours watching Chris Harris videos on youtube, then book yourself in.
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PostPosted: 02:50 - 18 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

HK, look's good to me if a couple of other BCF'ers could make use of the gaff together! I might even do a service on my tank/bike! Not sure about storage, but as a day use, it seems pretty ideal. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 02:57 - 18 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
As there is a communal loo (other lock-ups in the vicinity), I am presuming there is running water somewhere on the premises!


What the heck, we'll point percy at the kettle! Or a couple of quid for umpteen litres of finest Turkish water.
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 18 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:
I would spend a few hours watching Chris Harris videos on youtube, then book yourself in.

Or, just watch them for a laugh:

https://youtu.be/6FOsdfnv9Kc?t=125

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PostPosted: 08:50 - 18 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
I should be able to pick the key up if anybody wants to use that East London workshop (somewhere in E17, about 10 mins off the North Circ) - and there are plenty of shops around there, even a Tesco metro.

I think he only wants his rent covered (about 40 quid a day, I think), but it's all very ad hoc at the moment, as he is in the process of setting up as a ?workshop himself, so it's fairly empty, spacious; looks like it's been used for car repairs in the past, too.

He might be amenable to storing a bike there temporarily, might have to enquire further on that front about storage costs, say if you didn't finish fixing it and had to come back; its prolly gonna be cheaper to store it than £40 a day, obvs. It certainly seems secure.

So if a few of you wanted to club together it would be cheaper than just one of you paying him £40 for each day (or paying me and I can give him the money if he's not around) (your money is safe with me, mwahahahahahaha).

Although there is electric, I think it's a pound-in-the-meter sort of arrangement anyway.

If I picked up the key from him and let you in and locked up again later, I could bring tea, coffee, sugar, milk and a kettle, cups, etc. for you guys to make use of. Maybe bickies if I was feeling nice, LOL.

As there is a communal loo (other lock-ups in the vicinity), I am presuming there is running water somewhere on the premises!

Anybody interested, let me know by PM, I'll talk to him a bit more.


That's really cool, and helpful. Why has your karma level not gone off the scale lately?! Karma
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 18 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good question, indeed.

Does anybody want me to collect the key for this weekend, then?
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 18 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another +1 for Oval. Go there, do a basic service. An oil / filter change (they provide the oil), pads, chain adjust, air filter in an hour. Adjust everything, can also lube the bike up and properly inspect it.

I like to spend a little more time as don't like to be rushed and more importantly, to do a good job. I'd prefer to do it myself than a backstreet garage which won't even change the oil.

It's also quicker than taking it to a garage.

And for anything major, there's a mechanic on hand who can help out.
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 18 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amazing how things can change in a day, with a couple of conversations and a roughing out on the back of a fag packet (not really, as I don't smoke)

Website's a bit rough and ready, as is the workshop space, till I get it up and running properly for him (if I can manage to do so) - upshot is that it's a tenner an hour, other rates are being considered, don't hold the website to ransom, it could change by the day at the moment Laughing

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PostPosted: 20:28 - 18 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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[Burly men, come to my remote soundproof lockup. Only I have the key to let you out. Secreted about my person.]

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