Volkswagen at it. how many other manufacturers?

[Ribenapigeon]

Given Volkswagen's engines arnt unusual and their NO2 figures are simerler to other manufacturers does that suggest Volkswagen is not the only one fiddling engine performance figures?

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If VW engines were apparently between 5-35 times over the (Californian) limit for Nitrous Oxide, then I suspect every manufacturer is at it. They just got caught over the US manufacturers first.

Let's face it, even in the UK the MOT tester often has to rev the tits out of a car to get it red hot (way hotter than normal) to pass. I've heard it suggested, that the probe is often not even put in the exhaust.

Governments and greens constantly increasing targets that the manufacturers have no way of meeting.
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[Rogerborg]

but I can't get enough of it.

All of them.

This is just beginning.

The scapegoats are going to get Cameroned so hard.
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[Vincent]

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[Kickstart]

Hi

From reports so far, looks like they can pass the tests, just that doing so has various down sides (expensive running costs in additives, etc), so seems likely that others can also pass the tests but might not chose to fiddle things to appear better in other areas.

That said, I suspect others are pulling stunts. Whether others are so blatant , or even similar is another question.

For example, Alfa have their DNA setup where you can select a mode. Suspect this is mainly a fiddle to get through emissions tests, with the default mode being used for testing.

All the best

K
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[Ben90]

Audi, Seat and Skoda recently admitted they've got a few million cars with the cheat software, but that's not surprising really since they're sister companies and the engines are nearly identical.
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[Polarbear]

Actually I really don't care.

It is very simple, there are 7.5 billion people in the world. Considering 5 billion live in countries with no sewage treatment, I wouldn't worry too much about a bit of emissions from cars. The seas will die before the air.
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[staffo]

Will this effect the cars ability to pass a mot? Why all they noise about the cars losing value?
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[Rogerborg]

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[Rogerborg]

[weasley]

The potential consequences are manifold. For a start, I (along with millions of others) am driving a car that (potentially) does not meet EU type approval, so is effectively not road-legal.

So what happens? VAG issue a recall? Apparently this is only required where an issue affects safety, so not in this case. VAG issue a voluntary service bulletin? What if I choose to ignore it? I like how my car goes, I don't want it getting slower and/or more thirsty. I am now knowingly driving a non road-legal car.

What if I roll over and let them update it? Who will compensate me for the extra fuel it will use? I am no ambulance-chaser but will not be happy at an enforced financial penalty through someone else's deliberate fraudulent activity.

And I haven't even touched on loss of resale value.

I am already planning what to spend my windfall on.
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[weasley]

...and now it's officially a UK problem:

[Vincent]

At some point, I'm presuming that someone relatively high up at VW OK'd this idea and took responsibility for using the software. Do we know who that is? I know the CEO resigned but he claims ignorance. Whoever it is, I wouldn't like to be in his shoes
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[Ben90]

[stinkwheel]

The funy bit is going to be when all these irate people take their car in "To be fixed", get a re-map and find their car now runs like a total bagowank, guzzles fuel, overheats and the wears out prematurely.

The fail has only just begun. Just when the PPI companies thought they'd be left with an expensive autodialler system on their hands and no-one to sell it to. "Volkswagon, Seat, Renault. Audi, Skoda... Have YOU bought one of these cars in the last five years? Call us NOW, our team is standing by..." etc.

If I owned one of the VWs in question I'd be supergluing the cap on the ECU socket before taking it anywhere near a dealers for anything at all in case they decide to re-flash it without asking me. Mark my words, the ones that never came in for their recall will be the ones worth top-dollah.
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My T5 is only just out of warranty and will not see a dealer all the time I own it, which could be forever.

I have VCDS software and a cable so will only pop in for genuine parts when needed.
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[Rogerborg]

I'm baffled as to what "fix" is being proposed.

They can't make them run cleaner on the road without dialling the boost right down and leaning them out to the point of self destruction. So yes, GTFO kthnxbye.

All they can really do is to disable the cheat-o-chip and have them run realistically dirty while on test. But to what end?

Presumably this is just stalling and declaring that Something Has Been Done, while they wait for the other marques to get dragged into it.
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[weasley]

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Why would anyone want their VW "corrected"? It's clear the current map was designed to give the best balance of economy, performance and reliability, with green credentials coming a close second.

I'm just amazed no other groups have been pulled on this other than VAG. I can't believe that VAG are so far behind others on engine technology that they need to cheat emissions where others don't.
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