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LazzurusMan
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 30 Sep 2015    Post subject: Helmet cam Reply with quote

So, pretty simple question really. Where can I get a cheap one, and how the hell do I mount it to the helmet? I've seen plenty around the £50-£90 mark that come with god knows how many mounts, but nothing that says they'd actually fit to a motorcycle helmet :/
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 30 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

SJCAM SJ4000 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-Genuine-SJCAM-Helmet-SJ4000-1080HD-Waterproof-Action-Sport-Camcorder-UK-/191648073247?hash=item2c9f1d861f

Mounts like this. The part on the helmet is secured with a 3M sticky pad, it holds securely enough.

https://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh504/wr6133/LPIC5363_zpspytgkswc.jpg
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 30 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or if you don't want to look like a rolling gatso then pick up a used drift off ebay. Not as cheap as the SJ though.
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 30 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheArchitect wrote:
drift

Not the Stealth 2 though because of reasons.

You may be able to secure the SJ4000 to the front of your lid, cable tied to the chin bar vents. I managed that with my SJ1000.
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 30 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another vote for the SJ400 amazing quality and value for the money.
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 30 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://i.imgur.com/FDteO2S.jpg

Or not look like a complete twat with a box hanging of your lid, or a teletubby with it on top..

As with the GoPro and it's copies, sjam etc etc sticks to lid with m3 adhesive pad
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 30 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Contour roam 2 is a great camera because its easy to mount since its designed for helmets and its easy to operate with 1 simple button. Only problems are its poor in low light to the point where you cant see anything at night. There is no screen either so you cant change settings on the fly, has to be done on the computer.
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PostPosted: 23:12 - 30 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC900 wrote:
Contour roam 2 is a great camera because its easy to mount since its designed for helmets and its easy to operate with 1 simple button. Only problems are its poor in low light to the point where you cant see anything at night. There is no screen either so you cant change settings on the fly, has to be done on the computer.


You make some great points, problem being, That you can see the FoV from the built in laser to get the right angle on the camera/postion on lid.

So no it doesn't just have to be done on the computer!

The low light issue, I agree and have mentioned this too in post before this, a Roam 2 will cost you around the £90 new. whilst the Roam 3 that improves on the low light is a lot more expensive, whilst still cheaper then the counter parts on the market.

However, this as been acknowledged from the Contour team.

Neither the Roam 2 or 3 have Mic inputs, you would have to fork out £200+ for a new Roam 2+, which has a mic input and requires a "waterproof case"..................
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 30 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mobius Actioncam.
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 01 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd go for an SJ4000 too, although I do prefer the Drifts shape. Theres quite a few knock-offs on ebay so take care where you buy from.

As long as the helmet has some flat-ish spots that aren't covered in vents and dips the 3M adhesive mounts should attach fine. You can add extensions between the mount and camera if you need to move the it out from the helmet to angle it a bit etc.
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PostPosted: 00:30 - 01 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got the M10 version of the SJ4000 stuck to the side of my helmet with one of the supplied 3M sticky pads, works just fine.

You will have to work out which of the arms and bits gives you the best angle but it's not a massive task Smile
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PostPosted: 06:35 - 01 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The SJ4000 has better video quality than the Ghost HD.
(I have both and when editing, technically not subjectively it's mostly better e.g. frame rate)
But the boxy shape mounted sticking out from a helmet must be hard to live with.
You could mount it elsewhere on the bike though.
In the waterproof case the sound it records will be muffled if not unusable - might not matter but not ideal.
You can't use any kind of external mic which is another plus for the drift range, should you want 'good' sound from a place out of the wind blast.
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PostPosted: 06:54 - 01 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an expensive Sony on the bike but for my helmet I've found the bullet style easiest to mount unobtrusively. Aim isn't difficult to work out, just put your helmet on look in the mirror and work out the angle you need to mount it by looking in the mirror and adjusting the camera so you see it straight on (if that's clearly enough explained 😐).
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PostPosted: 07:11 - 01 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noticed this as well. Might be just what we've all been waiting for.
https://m.ebay.com/itm/321795189187?_mwBanner=1
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PostPosted: 07:29 - 01 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Aim isn't difficult to work out, just point it at a shop worker until he gets the sack and then you'll know it's on the button.
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PostPosted: 08:39 - 01 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Noticed this as well. Might be just what we've all been waiting for.
https://m.ebay.com/itm/321795189187?_mwBanner=1

There are loads of generic bulletcams around. Most of them are mince.

https://www.techmoan.com/ has covered a few, all have disappointed.

I'd have considered a Contour Roam 2 but eff that low light performance. OP is asking at the start of October, so unless he's planning purely on Sunday jaunts he's going to need it to work in the dark.

Roam 3 look OK, but the deal breaker is that none of the Contours do loop recording. I consider that vital for regular use.
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 01 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

inb4 'Safety Nazi'

If you glue a lump onto the outside of a helmet (that is designed for 'safety reasons' to be smooth) does it not make the helmet more able/likely to twist your head off if it catches on something as you are flying through the air in an off?

Just sayin'.

Plus it make you look like a ****.

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PostPosted: 09:48 - 01 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just got a Sjcam m10. Quality is good unless you want sound which is pretty poor, but it is cheap as at £60. Techmoan rated it so I thought it was worth a go.

After watching some different videos(video) with different mounts I went for the chin mount partly due to the footage I wanted and partly because I did not want a big mast sticking off my head.

https://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z235/lasvegasharley/gopro/Helmet1.jpg (not mine).

One thing worth noting is that it is built to a buget so is not the most rugged thing, I have broken the on off button on mine and I am currently waiting on a replacement.[/url]
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 01 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

natefz6 wrote:
Sjcam m10. [...] I have broken the on off button on mine and I am currently waiting on a replacement.[/url]

The power switch on the SJ1000 is also a failure waiting to happen. The button has more travel than the microswitch, leading to it being physically ripped off the board - especially if you press it with gloves on or through the waterproof case. Poor show, I hope they sorted that for the SJ4000.
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PostPosted: 10:35 - 01 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Ribenapigeon wrote:
Noticed this as well. Might be just what we've all been waiting for.
https://m.ebay.com/itm/321795189187?_mwBanner=1

There are loads of generic bulletcams around. Most of them are mince.

https://www.techmoan.com/ has covered a few, all have disappointed.

I'd have considered a Contour Roam 2 but eff that low light performance. OP is asking at the start of October, so unless he's planning purely on Sunday jaunts he's going to need it to work in the dark.

Roam 3 look OK, but the deal breaker is that none of the Contours do loop recording. I consider that vital for regular use.


I think this is new camera on the market so I'm waiting to see if it gets reviewed. Its solves that problem of bulk though as it looks like you could mount the recording part on the rear and then pop the little camera part anywhere you wanted on lid. It could be nice and low profile.
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 01 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
inb4 'Safety Nazi'

If you glue a lump onto the outside of a helmet (that is designed for 'safety reasons' to be smooth) does it not make the helmet more able/likely to twist your head off if it catches on something as you are flying through the air in an off?

As long as the mount is plastic I suspect the impact would smash if off, ie. the energy transfer would be to the rapidly disappearing-down-the road camera rather than your head.
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 01 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
MCN wrote:
inb4 'Safety Nazi'

If you glue a lump onto the outside of a helmet (that is designed for 'safety reasons' to be smooth) does it not make the helmet more able/likely to twist your head off if it catches on something as you are flying through the air in an off?

As long as the mount is plastic I suspect the impact would smash if off, ie. the energy transfer would be to the rapidly disappearing-down-the road camera rather than your head.


Agreed Thumbs Up

I'm sure that is the case but I have tried pulling a 3M camera sticky off a helmet. One does not simply 'rip' it off. Embarassed

The thing I was (about to) bang on about is... A helmet is designed smooth to go through the air easily and also it will hopefully just slide if it should catch anything.
But possibly, a camera glued to the side, coming in contact with something like a fence post/car 'A' Pillar would mean the difference between a bang on the side of the head or if the camers et all has enough leverage to cause a twisted cervix, spinal cord injury, paralysis and then becoming a brilliant astrophysicist.

No one has any test info on this sort of injury. Or is there any stats?

We all go on about how good Arai, Shoei, AGV etc. are but then compromise the tech with tat.

I still think it looks heluvatwaterish 'hey mom look at me' though. Karma
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 01 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neutral
"Agreed", but then go onto explain why you disagree and certain spassification is certain.
I'd guesstimate that the increased risk is potato.
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 01 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Ribenapigeon wrote:
Noticed this as well. Might be just what we've all been waiting for.
https://m.ebay.com/itm/321795189187?_mwBanner=1

There are loads of generic bulletcams around. Most of them are mince.

https://www.techmoan.com/ has covered a few, all have disappointed.

I'd have considered a Contour Roam 2 but eff that low light performance. OP is asking at the start of October, so unless he's planning purely on Sunday jaunts he's going to need it to work in the dark.

Roam 3 look OK, but the deal breaker is that none of the Contours do loop recording. I consider that vital for regular use.


I have the Roam 2 - I know the GoPro style cameras are popular but they look ridiculous perched on the top/side of a helmet.
Roam 3 looks to be a worthwhile upgrade - the lack of loop-recording is a bit lame, my fix was to knock up an app on my home server that moves/renames all of the video files from the camera when it's plugged in (you have to charge it, so charge it by plugging it into the server) - I have a camera mount stuck to the side so I have somewhere to clip it to whilst it's charging/downloading) - the app can then be set to delete files over a certain age. It's loop recording of sorts! It's certainly effective and hassle-free.

An essential part of any helmet camera is the ability to to turn it on or off with a gloved hand - the Contour is superb in this respect, it has a big chunky slider - that's the only control you need.
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 01 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a TCL SVC200 Action camera.

https://www.bambuzo.com/uk/tcl-svc-200-svc200-mini-sport-waterproof-dv-digital-camera-camcorder-car-dvr-for-outdoor-action-surveillance-fhd1920x1080-optical-glass-free-all-accessories.html?gclid=CjwKEAjws7OwBRCn2Ome5tPP8gESJAAfopWsbs7N1joB2WOjTe21iq2aOCBseNu6E0UdtnnlduT6ZxoCXQ_w_wcB

I bought it because:

Its small and thin so doesn't protude from my helmet too much unlike my mate's go pro which tries to take his head off at over 80odd.

Its cheap (mine was £65 delivered)

it comes with lots of mounts and accessories including a remote which is great.

it uses standard size nokia mobile phone batteries which are cheap and readily available.
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