Which 50cc super sport?

[Rookie]

Hey guys, wanting an opinion from the 'experts' if possible!
I'm looking out for a 50cc super sport replica, been looking for MONTHS, but am still unsure what to go for.
Been looking at Aprilia RS50s, Derbi GPR50s, Cagiva Mitos, Rieju RS1s, Motorhispania RX50s, any bloody thing!
Was wondering what the best choice is from these (or any other for that matter!)? Considering that everything except the RS50 is so rare the chances are that I'll have to go about 800 miles to get one! The Derbi isn't that bad, but the others are!
I've got about £1000 to spend, so obviously looking for anything between year 2000-2003. Found an RS50 GP1 2002 the other day for £900, but I hear the RS50's are very poor build quality, is there any justification to this reputation? Otherwise, I've heard excellent things about the Derbi and Rieju in particular, but the Riejus are so uncommon and expensive I doubt I'll be able to get my hands on one....

Are there any disadvantages to riding a bike like this? I've been confined to 30mph on a twist-and-go for a few months, and I'm so frustrated with the bloody thing I feel like burning it, so wanted o get one of these, but are there any downsides compared to a twist and go? Please say no!

This is getting extensive, rounding it up soon! Do I need to retake the CBT if I move up to a geared bike? I did the CBT a few months ago, was a piece of piss, but I'm assuming it's rather different with the clutch and gears to concentrate on as well as everything else.

One more thing; someone told me the piston rings wear out very quickly with a geared 50, is that right?
So...any advice?
Thanks guys

[mirax]

how old are you mate cause to be honest i wouldnt get a 50cc geared bike there all shite there really fragile and blow up every 10 mins and arnt that much better than a scooter. tbh if your to get a geared get a 125

[Keith]

All the 50cc sport replicas are pretty much the same as each other. You can find them pretty cheap but chances are they've been down the road several times and abused by teenages trying to make them 10mph faster.

All of the 50's run on the exact same engine, apart from the Derbi as they make their own lump, so they'll all go the same speed, give or take 2 or 3mph.

I had a Derbi Senda when I turned 16 and that was fantastic. Excellent build quality with a very nice engine to power you along to about 50mph de-restricted. My favourite 50 sport out the lot is the older shape GPR and if they are as well built as the Senda, I can imagine it as a pretty good first bike.

Good luck finding a decent 02/03 model for around a grand. I believe you'll find one from around 99 for a decent price though.
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[TomC]

I have a senda at the moment, worth looking at, wont be much difference in speed to that and a race replica but it has the advantage of not breaking as much if you fall off or drop it, Can be picked up fairly cheap, i paid £600 for my 2000 model, although it wasnt in the best condition, but for a grand you will get a much better bike, than you would from an RS50 at that price which chances are wont have been looked after or has been run to death. If its the look off a race replica your after I honestly wouldnt bother mate, at the end of the day it still a ped.

[JonB]

Why waste your money ona bike that won't go very fast? Buy a cheap Derbi Senda or something, get a 1 years NCB and get a bigger bike.
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[Rookie]

Thanks for all your comments guys.
I looked at a Derbi Senda, they are much cheaper comparatively, but my major issue is that they might have been thrashed about in a field and done up to sell. My mates got an Aprilia RX50, it's quite nice, he paid £2800 for an '04 model, which I think is ludicrous when you consider you can get an '02 for a third of the price if you hunt, and he sacrificed most his warranty to get it derestricted anyway! Unbelievable! I think that'll be it then, as Derbi are so much easier to find, but are better than Aprilias, I'll go for a Senda or a GPR50, depending on what I can find! I'll go for a 2002+ Senda, as I'm willing to pay the extra couple of hundred to have one that's not been trailed. I think your comments are right about the race replicas though, so many of them have the race exhausts on them, and 'big bored', tuned etc that they'll have been thrashed around the backalleys!
I appreciate that I'll want a 125 when I'm 17, but I feel it's better to learn to ride a geared bike on a cheaper 50cc, come off a couple of times if I'm unlucky, but at least get used to the road on a geared, going faster, then I don't have as large a chance of coming off an expensive 125! Maybe that's the time to buy a race replica?

Thanks very much for your help, keep 'em coming if you've got an adverse opinion, or whatever!

[TomC]

Yer thats the idea

Have a look on ebay now, there is a 03 senda with 5000 miles on the clock and looks in excellent condition. Its priced at £1300 but i dont think it will sell at that and you may be able to get it abit cheaper.
Heres a link.
https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=57184&item=4526026813&rd=1

It might not be worth spending that much however. look around, there are cheaper ones.

[Rookie]

Yeah I've already had a look at that one, but the high price put me off.
I see there's a new one there aswell, I put in a bid of £800 just out of hope, but I think the reserve on those is high.
There's a Motor Hispania aswell, what do you think? It's practically identical (but 5500 kms not miles), except it's 1/4 the price at the mo! If I could pick it up for £800 I'd certainly be pleased! The great thing is, it seems hardly anybody on eBay knows about Motorhispania.
https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=424&item=4525228343&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

[TomC]

yer you wont get the new one, reserve will be over £1500. But that motorhispania looks good expecially if you can get it cheap. If it was me i would drop him an email and ask him for his reserve, that way you know what you are up against.

[Rookie]

I already bid, bid £800, it happened to be the reserve price, so it's jumped straight to £800! Still, perhaps the huge jump in price will put off any other bidders...I'd be ecstatic if I got it for £800.

[Rookie]

[TomC]

Its a RS125.

Have you seen this? its in Somerset.
https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=9913&item=4524760368&rd=1[/url]

[mooseman]

im 16 and have got a pug XR6 much like the motorhispana. i think it looks better than the rs50 and are less common. but they are a little slower but its up 2 u mate
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[Rookie]

I missed it! By a few minutes! Honestly I don't know if I'd have gone for it, I hear Aprilia's aren't fantastic, especially the older ones, and it sounded like it needed a lot of work. If he wanted £1000 with the MOT done, that's high for a 2001 one aint it?

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[JonB]

Thing is if you get a GPR50, they are faired, you are quite likely to come off in your first year so damaging fairings = lotsa money.
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[Keith]

[Rookie]

I can live with a few scratches if it comes to it, but, hey, support me on winning this Motorhispania, you're assuming I dont! And the trials don't get as many scratches if you come of, do they?
https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4525228343&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2

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[Dom_]

The two main differences between all 50's are:

Moto Minarelli make the engines for: -
RS50
Reiju
Peugeot XR6
Motorhispania etc...

The other engine is the one built by derbi used in the sendas and gpr's.

The derbi engine is meant to be good, strong and powerful as standard, but i cant stand the looks of the gpr and i dont want the senda cos it will be 5 - 10mph slower (a lot at 50cc)

So it was a chioce between the Aprlia, motorhispania etc...
I chose the aprilia for several reasons:
They are common so parts are easy and cheap.
The aprilia forum is very knowlegdable and will solve most problems.
Aprilia is the best build quality.
Aprilia is better looking IMO.
There are more aftermarket parts available for the Aprilia.
It is meant to be the bst handling.
The re-sale value will be a LOT more than what you would get for another make.

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[TomC]

Possibly if he was buying new, however for a grand your not going to get much of an RS.

[Dom_]

[TomC]

[Dom_]