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PostPosted: 14:50 - 01 Nov 2015    Post subject: throttle rocker (for safety) Reply with quote

This is my personal opinion, and lots of veteran riders may disagree, I think throttle rocker is good for safety rather than comfort.
Because you can keep the throttle open with your palm easily, so you can always cover the brake lever more easily with your first and middle fingers.
Beginner riders are not good at (always) covering brake levers, so in my opinion, beginner riders should use throttle rocker for daily safety.

A few points to be careful
-When braking, you must reverse the throttle more intentionally than without throttle rocker. But small bikes don't have much power so it won't be a big trouble than big powerful bikes.

-When cruising at different speed range, you must rotate throttle rocker with your hand, and you should be careful not to do this in busy traffic.

I might had better to post this in the thread "Do you cover your levers?", but I wanted to know your comments on throttle rocker.
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PostPosted: 16:01 - 01 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never used one and would never think of using one.

A well maintained throttle will be easy to use that you do not have to grip it. Mine have always been so easy to move that friction of your hand on there is enough to control it.

Far too many new riders grip the throttle to tight.

A throttle should not need to be closed by hand. It should shut on its own. If it does not then you need to get it sorted.

Covering the brakes is another story. Again I find that 2 fingers over the front brake is more than enough in traffic.
The rest is all done by the eyes and knowing the dangers that may happen.
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 01 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Completely unnecessary plus it's rather dangerous and basically becomes a cruise control feature. As above throttle should shut off completely when let go
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 01 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Never used one and would never think of using one.

A well maintained throttle will be easy to use that you do not have to grip it. Mine have always been so easy to move that friction of your hand on there is enough to control it.

Far too many new riders grip the throttle to tight.

A throttle should not need to be closed by hand. It should shut on its own. If it does not then you need to get it sorted.

Covering the brakes is another story. Again I find that 2 fingers over the front brake is more than enough in traffic.
The rest is all done by the eyes and knowing the dangers that may happen.


cb1rocket wrote:
Completely unnecessary plus it's rather dangerous and basically becomes a cruise control feature. As above throttle should shut off completely when let go


Thanks iooi and cb1rocket. My idea can be dangerous. I will be careful and I will stop suggesting my idea to other riders.
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 01 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was specifically told on CBT not to cover the front brake...
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PostPosted: 23:04 - 01 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonko The Sane wrote:
I was specifically told on CBT not to cover the front brake...


They have some funny ideas.
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PostPosted: 23:07 - 01 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonko The Sane wrote:
I was specifically told on CBT not to cover the front brake...

Is this not good for a learner?
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 01 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm guessing it was to try and stop us grabbing the front brake mid-corner or something like that.
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 01 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If by throttle rocker you mean a plastic lever attached to the grip, I've had one on my bike for 4 years. Set right all it means is I don't need to grip as hard (ninja death grip is my go to). Doesn't interfere with anything and there are no negative consequences I can think of.

I'd never not use one.
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 01 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re CBT, I was with someone who conastanly covered the front brake. They constantly flashed the brake light. It was incredibly distracting being behind him and seeing his brake light flash all the time.
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 01 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would not be allowed by the ACU, throttle need to snap shut.
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PostPosted: 23:36 - 01 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
Would not be allowed by the ACU, throttle need to snap shut.


Yeah, but that's racing.

A road rider who likes the throttle to stay where it's put can have that.
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PostPosted: 00:16 - 02 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chucking your bike down the road on full throttle has just about the same effect as chucking one up the track.
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PostPosted: 00:29 - 02 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
Chucking your bike down the road on full throttle has just about the same effect as chucking one up the track.


Yeah, except for the oncoming artics and the emphasis on getting to where you're going, rather than "beating" some other goon, so what does that say about throttle springing shut or not?

I know fuck all about racing and I (obviously) don't give a shit about the notoriously cunty ACU's racing rules, but I ride on the road and a throttle that stays put has been some riders' preference since motorbikes were devised. Not mine. I've tried it and didn't like it.

Didn't they used to want the engine to stop when you shut a racing bike's throttle? Do they still have that?
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PostPosted: 00:47 - 02 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Triton Thrasher wrote:
notoriously cunty ACU


The nasal sounding saddos in brown shop coats with inch thick lenses?
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PostPosted: 01:05 - 02 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no love for the ACU, I was just stating their position.
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PostPosted: 04:04 - 02 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is something that prevents the throttle snapping shut an MOT fail?

And permanent lever covering is bad, something startles a rider, they tense up and instead of a slight wobble the front wheel washes out from underneath.
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 02 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

How exactly do you propose that a plastic lever stuck to the grip will stop the throttle snapping shut? Remove hand, throttle closes, same as without it.

Are you talking about the the odd contraptions that Americans fit to Harleys which act as cruise control by gripping the grip so tight it will only close by hand.

Throttle rocker/cramp buster:
https://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachments/sport-touring/19935d1189530977-survey-what-grips-do-you-use-why-crampbuster-small.jpg

One of several unusual cruise control devices:
https://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/p545/theonlinepartsshop/Accessories/1101%20Omni%20Universal%20Motorcycle%20Cruise%20Control/007.jpg
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 02 Nov 2015    Post subject: Re: throttle rocker (for safety) Reply with quote

I use a 'throttle rocker' / 'cramp buster' and would certainly not recommend attempting to use the rocker while covering the brakes.

Most of the time while commuting in traffic - which is when covering the brakes is particularly helpful - I keep the rocker rotated out of the way.

I only use it when I'm on a long stretch of open road, when I'm not covering the brakes.

The problem is that if your hand is positioned such that you're using the rocker to hold the throttle open, and you already have your fingers on the lever, and your thumb is behind the grip then it's problematical to apply the brakes while instantaneously rolling off the throttle. Contrast this with the hand motion when you reach for the lever, where you naturally tend to roll the throttle forwards.

So no, this is not something that I'd encourage, especially not for newer riders.
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 02 Nov 2015    Post subject: Re: throttle rocker (for safety) Reply with quote

Seems I use mine differently than Roger.

Mine is almost always in the same position and set fairly low. Mine is set so that in an upright, waiting at the lights position, it just rests against my palm, but doesn't operate the throttle.

I find it more useful around town than on motorways, I cover the brakes/roll off/blip the throttle on downshifts with it installed - the reason I like it is because I don't need to actively grip the bar when doing so. Throttle on my bike has quite a quick action, so set low it is both useful and out of the way.

If I'm riding like a douche then it doesn't see much use as it is pointing downwards and I adjust my grip high. If I am out on a very long motorway journey I may occasionally adjust it like Roger does, but I otherwise leave it be.

As for noob friendly, if set low, yes, if set high/adjusted whilst moving, probably not.
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 02 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrDonnyBrago wrote:


Thanks. I had no idea what a throttle rocker was.
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 02 Nov 2015    Post subject: Re: throttle rocker (for safety) Reply with quote

They're great, especially if you have fat grips and short fingers.

DrDonnyBrago wrote:
Mine is set so that in an upright, waiting at the lights position, it just rests against my palm, but doesn't operate the throttle.

Is that with your hand rotated forwards under the lever, or could you have your fingers over the lever?

I'm trying to picture riding with fingers on the lever and pressure on the rocker. I may give it a try this afternoon. If I don't make it, avenge my death.
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 02 Nov 2015    Post subject: Re: throttle rocker (for safety) Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
They're great, especially if you have fat grips and short fingers.

DrDonnyBrago wrote:
Mine is set so that in an upright, waiting at the lights position, it just rests against my palm, but doesn't operate the throttle.

Is that with your hand rotated forwards under the lever, or could you have your fingers over the lever?

I'm trying to picture riding with fingers on the lever and pressure on the rocker. I may give it a try this afternoon. If I don't make it, avenge my death.



I was heading out to lunch so took a photo. In pic = brakes covered by two fingers but not applied, no pressure on rocker. I ride around town with the brakes covered. As it is set on the low side if I want to use wide open throttle I adjust my grip, fine as is for the 9-10k rpm traffic light GP and fine on dual carriageway commute.

https://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af271/DonnyBrago/34fa32dd-052b-46a6-b182-34a578b232cb_zpsdpliikhv.jpg
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 02 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took mine. Mine was set a little bit higher than DrDonnyBrago.

https://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/kawashima_/P1050778_zpsm26vuxll.jpg
https://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/kawashima_/P1050787_zpseulbfo2t.jpg
https://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/kawashima_/P1050805_zpskwrufcmj.jpg

When throttle closed.
https://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/kawashima_/P1050806_zpsrnyeqc1s.jpg

When throttle opened for cruising.
https://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/kawashima_/P1050807_zpsthkrqyuj.jpg
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 02 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

i can see the benefit of one if your doing some serious commuting/touring, but i dont think we're all that weak handed to need one are we?

As most have mentioned, a well maintained and correctly set throttle should rotate with just the pressure of the hand on it and snap back once let go.

there should be no need to have to grip the bar.
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