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PostPosted: 00:16 - 05 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 08:05 - 05 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have on my own bike swapped out the front sprocket at about half life as it starts to wear it SLIGHTLY extends chain life but I not sure it worth the effort

It makes a lot of vibration for 500 to 1k miles after the change which is why I don't think I bother again
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PostPosted: 08:13 - 05 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

<armchair experts>But you should always replace chain and sprockets as as a set or they ASSPLODE! Shocked </armchair experts>

Love the Teflonian bollocks about the chain lengthening because the outer faces of the rollers are wearing thinner. Because of course fractions of a millimetre of wear at the 4 points where they intersect with the leading/trailing teeth on the sprockets adds all that slack in the middle. Rolling Eyes

He does however make an interesting point that a worn sprocket is likely to wear a chain by tugging on it (and wearing the pins and bushings). Given the relatively low cost of the front sprocket it might actually be worth replacing it as soon as it starts to hook. Thinking

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PostPosted: 08:59 - 05 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Not sure if troll', considering the OP.

Stopped video at "it's not hard, is it?" - often front sprockets are made from a tougher material (steel vs a lighter alloy), meaning that it can be the rear sprocket wearing out first.
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 05 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
<armchair experts>But you should always replace chain and sprockets as as a set or they ASSPLODE! Shocked </armchair experts>

Love the Teflonian bollocks about the chain lengthening because the outer faces of the rollers are wearing thinner. Because of course fractions of a millimetre of wear at the 4 points where they intersect with the leading/trailing teeth on the sprockets adds all that slack in the middle. Rolling Eyes

He does however make an interesting point that a worn sprocket is likely to wear a chain by tugging on it (and wearing the pins and bushings). Given the relatively low cost of the front sprocket it might actually be worth replacing it as soon as it starts to hook. Thinking

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What's your theory then?

Edit..............

Actually I just re-read what you posted. It's not just the 4 points the sprocket touches the chain. It's all along the chain. It's the holes that contain the pins that wear out and you have movement of the pins all along the chain.

https://www.kronowit.com/bicycling/chainstretch.html
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 05 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't this the same youtube guy that did a video where he said his wife has massive chicken strips because her bike can never lean that far due to exhaust in the way and then proceeded to scotchbrite them off saying it wasn't to be a fake poser but for safety in case she ever needed to lean that far? (despite already stating her exhaust meant she could never lean that far).

If so I'd take his advice with pinch of salt.
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 05 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

monkeybiker wrote:
Actually I just re-read what you posted. It's not just the 4 points the sprocket touches the chain.

Yes, that was my point.

Whatever the exact wear mechanism (I'll look at my stretched tractor chain when I get out of the armchair) we're agreeing that it must be wear at the pins/holes that causes stretch along the length of the chain, not what DelBoy said, reduced diameter on the 4 rollers in contact with the last sprocket teeth.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 05 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The worn sprocket will wear the chain because the wear in the sprocket effectively changes the pitch. The pitch being the distance between the pin of one link assembly and the pin/s of the adjacent links.

The damage will not be 'impact' as any chain slack will be 'taken up' on acceleration (and deceleration).

Any 'additional wear will be from the extra load on the pins and bushes due to the extended pitch 'stretching' the pitch of the chain.

The wearing three times as fast may be correct but again it it possible the front and rear sprocket materials hardness will differ to compensate if 'matched'.

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PostPosted: 22:29 - 05 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what can happen when a chain snaps.

Delboy said to not even google it.

Well fuck him I did. Razz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEaj4Lc3Ro0
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 06 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
Isn't this the same youtube guy that did a video where he said his wife has massive chicken strips because her bike can never lean that far due to exhaust in the way and then proceeded to scotchbrite them off saying it wasn't to be a fake poser but for safety in case she ever needed to lean that far? (despite already stating her exhaust meant she could never lean that far).

If so I'd take his advice with pinch of salt.


I do like delboy's videos but he does contradict himself a hell of a lot.
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 06 Nov 2015    Post subject: Re: New front sprocket every 10K? Reply with quote

MrGs1 wrote:
Dellboy suggests to replace the front sprocket every 10K as it apparently wears three times faster than the rear.

The first five minutes makes a lot of sense but when he pulls the old sprocket off and compares it with the new there doesn't appear to be a great deal of wear so I am not convinced this is anything more than OCD.

Link.


Yeah what a muppet he is, he even bolted the new sprocket on instead of welding it properly
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 06 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reducing diameter of the rollers doesn't affect the pitch, which is the distance the pin centres are apart. If the distance the pins are apart doesn't change then the chain is not able to be any longer in length because adding up all those pitches is what gives you your overall length.
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 06 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Reducing diameter of the rollers doesn't affect the pitch, which is the distance the pin centres are apart. If the distance the pins are apart doesn't change then the chain is not able to be any longer in length because adding up all those pitches is what gives you your overall length.

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PostPosted: 12:32 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Hardness of the sprockets will make a big difference. Some last no time at all (some are alloy so wouldn't expect them to), but front ones are normally far harder.

But on some older bikes the sprockets lasted far longer than chains.

All the best

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PostPosted: 12:49 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I replace the front sprocket once it becomes noisy, and they seem to become noisy because they "pick" at the chain as it tries to leave the teeth on the underside. The result so far has been negligible chain wear in 28K miles on the CB250. For posterity I have also been keeping a record of how each brand of sprocket lasted, complete with awful pictures (thanks Nokia and your EDoF cameras!). The 530 JT on the front of the TRX is starting to hook too at only 8K, so every 10K could be on the money..

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PostPosted: 13:59 - 07 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Hardness of the sprockets will make a big difference. Some last no time at all (some are alloy so wouldn't expect them to), but front ones are normally far harder.

Katy


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