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Mario_Kempes
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 09 Nov 2015    Post subject: XT600E cutting out Reply with quote

My commuter has let me down again.

After about 4 or 5 minutes on the motorway it started backfiring. This is usually a sign to switch to reserve but it has about 6 to 8 litres left in it.

Feel it dying - like no fuel was reaching the engine - and off it goes. Won't start again at first but I leave it for 10 and it starts fine.

Leave it on idle for 5. Revving it occasionally until I feel confident enough to try again. Sure enough it loses power again after 5 minutes.

Went through the cycle one more time before giving up and calling the tow truck.

It's getting on a bit and has a small oil leak. Had to buy a new regulator last year but it's always been mechanically fine.

Any ideas?
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 09 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vapour lock? I had that on my XT600E a few times in absolutely baking temperatures.
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 09 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the vent to the tank clear? Try riding with the cap off (but try to avoid crashing, soaking yourself in fuel and going up like a christmas pudding).
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 10 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

my m8 had one of these.. and explained to me how the mixture could be altered via the on board computer to make it tick over in the winter months cos otherwise it would cut out at the lights in the cold.. but he knew exactly what he was doing ... could the previous owner have messed with the on board settings ? Question
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 10 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:
my m8 had one of these.. and explained to me how the mixture could be altered via the on board computer to make it tick over in the winter months cos otherwise it would cut out at the lights in the cold.. but he knew exactly what he was doing ... could the previous owner have messed with the on board settings ? Question


Onboard computer? The XT is about as basic as they come definitely no onboard computer.

There's a little mesh filter under the float valve seat in the carb that often gets overlooked on carb cleaning and can get clogged, it might be worth stripping the carb down and having a look. Check the carb rubbers as well while you're at it as they crack and perish over time.
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 10 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the help, gents.

I thought it was fuelling what with the backfire etc.

However, I tried it again this morning. Started no problem and then as soon as I put it into gear it shutdown.

Got to be the sidestand killswitch. Would that messing up mid-ride cause the backfiring and loss of power?
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 10 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstand it was! Lovely.
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 10 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 11:31 - 11 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Balls. Just leaving the city and it backfires and drops power. It's a fueling issue. I can see petrol in the tank, it's just under half full, but it's not reaching the engine.

Carb needs looked at.
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 11 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mario_Kempes wrote:
Balls. Just leaving the city and it backfires and drops power. It's a fueling issue. I can see petrol in the tank, it's just under half full, but it's not reaching the engine.

Carb needs looked at.


I'd be looking at the tank/pump/tap first.

Does it have a fuel pump? Can you hear it priming? When it starts doing this try opening the fuel cap, if you hear air sucking in, or opening it then riding on again temporary fixes the issue, use a guitar string or similar, poke it down the vent holes to clear them out.

Failing that look to the fuel tap does the bike run if it is on reserve? Does it have a Prime setting? Trying running it on that. If either of those work have a go at stripping and repairing the fuel tap.

If still no joy then I would look at the carb.
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 11 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if you've had the carbs off before but due to the weird twin carb setup they can be a bit of a pain to get in and out.

The main problem I had was getting them seated in the rubbers when putting them back in. A bit of lube (oo-er missus) and they went back in a treat.

Remember to check the hidden filter as I mentioned earlier, you can buy carb refurb kits, useful for when you mangle the float valve seat getting it out of the carb.
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 11 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If this is your daily commuter, then it is unlikely that the carbs have suddenly developed a problem. The only thing can happen quickly is water getting in - usually due to a poor seal on the fuel cap - in which case you can drain the carbs into a receptacle and look for evidence of water without having to take them off the bike.

I think your problem is more likely to be electrical, it fits with having a healthy battery and a dying reg/rec. The healthy battery regains about half of its charge overnight, the reg/rec isn't doing a good job of charging it - although it may still be charging at tickover.

Get your multimeter out and check the charging system, you should be looking for 13-14V at tickover, and 14-14.5V at 4000 rpm.
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 11 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
If this is your daily commuter, then it is unlikely that the carbs have suddenly developed a problem. The only thing can happen quickly is water getting in - usually due to a poor seal on the fuel cap - in which case you can drain the carbs into a receptacle and look for evidence of water without having to take them off the bike.

I think your problem is more likely to be electrical, it fits with having a healthy battery and a dying reg/rec. The healthy battery regains about half of its charge overnight, the reg/rec isn't doing a good job of charging it - although it may still be charging at tickover.

Get your multimeter out and check the charging system, you should be looking for 13-14V at tickover, and 14-14.5V at 4000 rpm.


It was sitting for 3 months and I only started using it again last Friday.

The reg/rec is new. Changed it last year. When that went it was different. That's an obvious electrical thing. This is just like it runs out of petrol.

It is strange though. I rode it to work 12 miles to work on Monday then only got 500m on the way home.

It just sputters, backfires and loses power. Then, after 10 minutes, it'll start up fine, run for a few minutes and do the same thing again.

I'm suspecting that the carb is sticking and then goes down again after sitting for a few minutes. Then, after it's on the go for few minutes it gets stuck again. Strange that this would happen after a weekend of intermittent use and a ride to work though.
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