Why isn't this important (male suicide)

[Itchy]

https://mancunion.com/2015/11/17/four-years-gary-speed-men-account-76-per-cent-suicides-uk/


TL:DR

12 men a day kill themselves

MP Jess Phillips thinks it's funny.

Even motorbikes don't kill that many people yet it gets more attention from the MSM.
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Just the price to pay for our male privilege I guess.....

I have mixed feelings on it.

I think some people are "natural" suicides. People just born without the mental facility to survive in the world, in the same way that some people are born without the physical facility to survive in the world. The mental analog of being one of those weak, sickly people who is always diseased. Not so much worried about these people suicide-ing as its just darwinism in action.

I guess you could have a second set of people who are otherwise normal folks who are pushed into suicide by external factors. Say a guy who gets divorced by his wife, never sees his kids and now lives in a shoebox flat full of mould and damp, while the majority of his paycheck now goes out in CSA payments for the kids he doesn't see. I guess they have a reasonable grievance tbh.

[skatefreak]

It goes the same way as the sexist views on physical abuse, rape etc against males...

Men are supposed to be tough, resilient and just 'deal with it'...

Sexism alive and well just where it belongs it would seem

[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

This is the elephant in the room. I suspect most know a friend of a friend at least that has killed themselves.
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[Lord Percy]

I remember learning about a fairly similar thing ten years ago at Sixth Form. I was doing Media Studies, which is undoubtedly a total lardy dar waste of time subject but I learned an interesting lot about society, the way things work, the way people are, etc.

The rise in living standards, technology etc has led to a rapid demasculinisation of society. Many tens of thousands of years of social, biological, psychological evolution is suddenly left in a horrible stasis. Men have nothing to do, and no power to actually feel like men. Unless they're playing football, rugby, UFC, etc but that's a rather limited scope in an otherwise stagnant situation. What about hunting, survival, achievement, discovery? It's too easy, there's no deep sense of being alive, and men are bored, lifeless, lost.

I hate the extreme end of the equality campaign. 'Men being men' is not a 'modern social conditioning' issue, it's biological (hormones, brain pattern, etc), and now we're expected to just stop doing it, or worse, feel guilty about it..?

Add to this the fact that most jobs these days are simple earners, going from A to B, pushing buttons, office work, situations where alpha male types are forced to follow rules from guys who would undoubtedly be subordinate in a normal social situation.

Social hierarchy is somewhat innate, based on character, physique, mannerisms which have been built up and complexified over many thousands of years. It's all being shot to pieces by the 'do not offend', 'everybody's a winner' culture.

It's no wonder more men kill themselves than women. The bottom line is this: Our purpose is to have sex, collect as much food as possible and build a safe and comfortable permanent home. In a world where these things are pretty much handed to us on a plate, and where social structure is littered with arbitrary rules preventing the formation of a natural hierarchy or status, it's no wonder there are more and more guys feeling heavily dissatisfied with their lot in life.

And then on a completely separate note, there's also the little social things e.g. the demise of the British pub, overpriced cafes, etc - there's nowhere to go and mix with people any more. When you feel isolated or alone there's nowhere to go. I literally do not know of a single 'social space' in any city where you can just go and mill around with people enjoyably. I'll compare this with India and China, where you can go to a chai shop and sit with locals and talk about the events of the day, or a teahouse where randomers will band together and play chess, mahjong and smoke and drink tea. Do we have that in the UK? Nope! We're all becoming more and more alone with nowhere to turn. Ok this last point is also an issue for women too, but thought I'd mention it anyway because I think social cohesion and community is a vital aspect contributing towards overall happiness in lif.

Rant over

TL;DR - Demasculinisation of society, and not enough 'community stuff' to keep people happy and together.

[Skudd]

This has been known about for decades, why bring it up now?

I did notice the other day how many mothers are actually women, someone needs to do a study on that and ask why.
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[skatefreak]

The world has changed around us, as much as the PC brigade try to brainwash us, there is a little dinosaur in all of us...

However as much as we can be trained to fit the ever changing straight jacket of political correctness there will always be stress caused having to fight natural urges to some extent and more so with some than others.

Lock a dog in a house 27/7 and he will chew up the sofa.
Ask him why and he probably wouldn't reply'repression of natural urges mate' because these stresses can manifest themselves in various ways, aggression, anxiety, depression. Peoples are complicated.

Although this happens to both men and women, it's much more important when its about women and therefore if men commit suicide it's a non-issue because: Equality?...

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[Rogerborg]

Sad times when it's a family chap, and we all know someone who knows someone.

But some chaps offing themselves will be loners and losers, and doing it because they recognise that they are genuinely surplus to requirements. You could probably categorise a lot of chronic drink and drug abuse deaths in there too, it's just a slower check-out process.

How big is that latter group, and is it actually a problem?

We're in an age run by target obsessed Nannies, where all deaths that can be prevented must be prevented.

But saying that every death is a tragedy doesn't make it so </Hitler>, and the world isn't under-peopled, is it?
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[J0Al1]

In addition to what Lord Percy wrote . . .

I read somehwere that research into the increase of male suicide is partially due to more women fending for themself, thus males loosing their more natural slot.

However, the same research reported an increase in female despression/stress because many are stretched in too many directions (expected to work and raise a family).

So, equality has triggered a backfiring bullet that effects everyone to some degree.

[Undinist]

[Ste]

"The battle between new Labour MP Jess Phillips and the most rebellious Tory backbencher Philip Davies continues. The pair clashed last week during a meeting of parliament's Backbench Business Committee over Davies' call for an International Men's Day.

Phillips failed to stifle her laughter at the Tory MP's suggestion to the committee "in the spirit of gender equality" that the Commons should have a debate to commemorate such a day because "the opportunity for men to raise issues that are important to them is very limited". "I'm not entirely sure why it's so humorous," Davies harrumphed in response to Phillips' reaction."

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2015/11/watch-rival-mps-jess-phillips-and-philip-davies-clash-over-international

[Itchy]

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[Ben90]

Do the figures include suicide bombers? They've certainly been on the up.

That said, there was some twat on the news today who blew herself up. Equality in action.
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[Rogerborg]

University of York student tops himself. Before he's cold, the University cancel Men's Day because (I shit you not) they didn't ask wimmin what being a man is really about.

https://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/11/18/male-university-of-york-student-commits-suicide-on-day-his-university-ditches-international-mens-day-after-pressure-from-feminists/

Well, get it out of your system, pets, you don't want to still be shrieking like harpies when your biological alarm clock goes off and you need to find someone to bankroll your baby farming.
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[Itchy]

[barrkel]

I'll just leave this here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature
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[Kickstart]

Hi

As I understand it a large part of the difference is down to how different genders on the whole chose to commit suicide.

Males tend to be more likely to use methods that are quick and effective, while females tend to be more likely to use methods which take longer, giving more chance for someone to find and save them

All the best

Katy
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[-Matt-]

[Im-a-Ridah]

Here's some more of the Phil Davies/Jess Phillips fight from a couple weeks back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjqro8jFRms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oTSldlD7eM

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