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In your opinion, what is the most unreliable Bike make excluding RS125 and NSR125
Honda
9%
 9%  [ 8 ]
Kawasaki
25%
 25%  [ 22 ]
Yamaha
3%
 3%  [ 3 ]
Triumph
6%
 6%  [ 6 ]
Aprilia
50%
 50%  [ 44 ]
Suzuki
5%
 5%  [ 5 ]
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Wave2k
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 10 Feb 2005    Post subject: Most Unreliable Bike ? Reply with quote

i havent put Ducati for simple reasons
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 10 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki are the worst easily, with Suzuki in a close second.
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 10 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont think people read excluding the RS125 for aprilia Razz
then again i forgot to exclude the whole RS series
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 10 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

id say rs from what i read in t.w.o
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 10 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I voted Kawasaki, as they seem to be the ones we have had the most problems with.

Reliability wise the Bandit has been fine except for a blown engine that was my fault. Generally they do seem to suffer cosmetically.

Mechanically Yamahas seem to be indestructable. Generally very tough engines on the 4 strokes. The bugbear seems to be cosmetic finish.

Last Honda I had was my old MBX125, and that certainly blew up more than my RS125, but it was also older so probably not really fair to compare it. However I have had bikes long enough to remember Hondas very dodgy reliability reputation in the past, and take their current reputation with a large pinch of salt (people seem to forget the regular charging system problems).

The large 4 stroke Aprilias seem to have a very good reputation for reliability.

All the best

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PostPosted: 17:56 - 10 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honda followed closely by Suzuki, in my experience.
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 10 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aprilla RS50! Thumbs Up Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 10 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugger it's not there to vote for it;

Lifan 125 3A

Electrical connections on the wiring loom are poorly protected from the rain.

Crap tyres that were out very quickly

spark plug became faulty within a short time

end handle bar weights actually made of plastic rather than steel


On plus side it looked like a very nice bike ! Confused
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 10 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

how can honda be 3rd for reliability, its bullet proof0r
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 10 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I,m going to say Aprilia closely followed by Honda


Aprilia due to my experience with two AF1 125,s

And Honda because l once owned a NC24




Kawasaki four-strokes have been fine with me never had any trouble with two old high mileage ZZR,s
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 10 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

wave2k wrote:
how can honda be 3rd for reliability, its bullet proof0r


Because they are not bullet proof. Regulator / rectifiers going pop regularly, and not that rare that the generator goes as well / instead. Plenty of cam chain problems (the main reason your CBR has gear driven cams is that nobody trusted Honda cam chains in the slightest at the time it was designed). Nicely rotting hidden exhausts on the V4s. Hideously poorly sorted fuel injection on some models (apparently the Power Commander for the VFR800 is the best selling model, to try and fix the poor fueling rather than get it to work with aftermarket cans).

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 10 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

All i'm going to say is kr1s.
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 10 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with kickstart my rvf is wonderful when its running but small problems have proven very annoying!

Blown rectifiyers and rotten collector box being the main culprits, at the moment i have a stella can wrapped around a pipe, sealed with putty and tied at both ends Rolling Eyes passed the mot without problem.....

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PostPosted: 19:40 - 10 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Git wrote:
All i'm going to say is kr1s.




mines only unreliable engine wise because a pikey scous owned it before me and ran it on scooter oil from new.


at lest they don,t eat there powervalves
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 10 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reg/rec and the stator both went on mine (not at the same time Confused ) , as did the fuel pump.

Engine/'box fine though.
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 12 Feb 2005    Post subject: Re: Most Unreliable Bike ? Reply with quote

wave2k wrote:
i havent put Ducati for simple reasons


oi cheeky!!!

actually older generation ducati's were unreliable, mainly due to the italian government's insistence that ducati used electrics from italian companies only, which weren't high on quality.

these days, there are no such restrictions and reliabilities improved in leaps and bounds.

i've had a monster since july and have ridden it through all kinds of weather since, and it has never missed a beat. no electrical problems, hasn't used a drop of oil and hasnt even needed the chain adjusting and starts first time everytime.

its the most reliable bike i have ever had miles better than my previous honda and yamaha.
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 12 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also have a Monster, my experience is mixed.

I love the bike, it is exactly what I wanted.

However, it won't start if it has been left for a couple of weeks, if this is the case I need to charge the battery and if it is wet outside (even though my bike is garaged) I need to go around it with the WD40, then it will start. If I use it regularly it'll start every time and it has never 'stranded' me but it should start after being garaged for 2 weeks.

The only other fault I've had is oil pressure switch failure, now that's worrying when it happens.

There are other (naked) bikes I like but most are nondescript in my opinion, I would have definitely stretched to a Triumph Speed Triple but the new is deformed (maybe I can find an old one discounted somewhere) and I like the Z750 but not more than my Monster. I have been trying to decide what to get but I might just hang on to my existing bike for another year or two - it's terrific, warts and all.
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 12 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

coming from a 17 year-old,this may sound wierd, but what about beemers? anyone say they are bullet proof like hondas?
i dont like them, but i was just wondering
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 12 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

8316 wrote:
coming from a 17 year-old,this may sound wierd, but what about beemers? anyone say they are bullet proof like hondas?
i dont like them, but i was just wondering


Bullet proof, not like Hondas, but bulletproof like BMWs. It's rare to get less than 100k miles out of any BMW, and 150k+ miles is common. Hondas just don't compare, BMWs are a prestige marque with quality written through and through for the most part. Honda are a simple mass producer.
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 12 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

As to the Monster not starting after a couple of weeks, this is not that unusual with some bikes. Try a Yamaha fitted with a vacuum fuel pump (in which case you are lucky to start the engine again before the battery conks out should you fail to switch to reserve before the engine stops). Many bikes using vacuum fuel taps will also have this problem.

8316 wrote:
coming from a 17 year-old,this may sound wierd, but what about beemers? anyone say they are bullet proof like hondas?
i dont like them, but i was just wondering


For general quality and long term reliability, far better than Hondas.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 12 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

bigger the bike the better the reliability at least in engine terms.

Ive own a couple from each make and here are my observation.

Small ie under 400 bikes from all manufacturers can be a bit crap.

400 and bigger the following general rule applies:

Honda: Good qualitygenerally and fairly reliable, but early fours eat camchains, and the Early VFs have serious issues. Finish good on big bikes.

Kawasaki: Variable-engines are good, especially the old aircooled fours, and if you exclude the dodgy GpZ 305. Electrics are so so and the finish is moderate to poor.

Suzuki: Lovely strong engines, good frames. But the electrics have been wired by blind mentally retarded monkeys, and finish rots off rapidly.

Yamaha: Jack of all trades, finish is ok, generally mechanically reliable, but the switchgear etc is a bit shite. They tend to be harder to work on than suzukis if something does go wrong however (like when my FZR went bang and dropped a valve) and the sports fours (FZ/FZR/R6/R1/Thunderace/Cat) have complex twenty valve heads which are total f**kers to work on. Their aircooled motors are good, and later diversion engines are extremely reliable. AVOID old XS400s SHITEALERT!
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 12 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Try a Yamaha fitted with a vacuum fuel pump


That's interesting, the Monster has a vacuum fuel pump and the rear of the tank is lower than the carbs. I have noticed that it is more difficult to start after standing for a week or two if the fuel level is low. I think I'll keep plenty of juice in it in future.
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 12 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaffa wrote:
That's interesting, the Monster has a vacuum fuel pump and the rear of the tank is lower than the carbs.


Trick with an XJ600 Diversion is to dump the dodgy vacuum effort and fit an electric fuel pump.

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:09 - 12 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Trick with an XJ600 Diversion is to dump the dodgy vacuum effort and fit an electric fuel pump.

All the best

Keith


I take it this vacuum pump business is the same principle as the vacuum booster on brakes? Why they don't use a pump like that for diesel brake boosters for bike fuel pumps I don't know.

Except for cost and part count I suppose.
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 12 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

The vacuum pumps for the fuel work with the pulses of the vacuum to move a diaphragm to push the fuel through. An electric pump (which Yamaha switched to on the latter Divvys) is a far better and cheaper idea.

All the best

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