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sickpup
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 27 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats not really comparing like with like.

Try these sets for £40 and £45.

Facom £40 1/4 set.

Facom £45 1/4 set.

A roller cabinet at £400 will be thin steel and will flex. Mine cost about £700 20 years ago doesn't flex and weighs about 200kg before you put the tools in.
Funny thing is you would happily spend £400 on a TV for the bedroom that will last maybe 5 years, here we are talking about buying a tool box that will last in excess of 50 years so the rest of your life and you are questioning the cost of it.

I justify the cost of my tools by asking how much it would cost for a shop to do the work for me. In the case of the recent top end rebuild on the ER6 I saved over £1000 by having my own tools and the experience to do the work. Throw in the cost of tyre changes at £10ish a wheel and it was worth buying a tyre machine, when you think you can buy a shop type basic tyre machine and balancer for £1200 new let alone second hand then suddenly you may realise you can actually afford a hell of a lot more than you think you can.
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 27 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

This close to Christmas and New Year I'd be looking out for the sales at Halfords. People like to write, "Halfrauds" but these days their stuff is good quality, particularly their "Professional" tool range. Ten months ago I bought their "Industrial" range tool chest and cabinet in the sales for £299 and it is excellent. The green one is also a good colour match for the Kawasaki... which is nice.

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PostPosted: 22:05 - 27 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
when you think you can buy a shop type basic tyre machine and balancer for £1200 new let alone second hand then suddenly you may realise you can actually afford a hell of a lot more than you think you can.


How much did the garage/workshop cost that you store all these tools in when you aren't using them?
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 27 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
This close to Christmas and New Year I'd be looking out for the sales at Halfords.


Halfords have their 200 piece kit for sale this weekend for £120. Add the set of tool trays for £15 and you have a good starter set.

Not the professional quality they like to say it is but not bad either.

Even a tool cabinet like this one at £200 is better than nothing.

Halfords also have their industrial cabinet and chest for £299 this weekend.
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 27 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

For woodworking tools its carboot it all the way except for electric drills. I'm looking at getting a Stanley Fatmax 18v drill as a replacement for my 12v Dewalt which is shit and dousent drill straight. Homebase have them on a black Friday deal at the moment for £70 with two Lion batteries. The Stanley Fatmax stuff is good value if your buying new.
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 27 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
I'm looking at getting a Stanley Fatmax 18v drill as a replacement for my 12v Dewalt which is shit and dousent drill straight.


If its a new Dewalt return it, if not change the bearings. They are rebuildable, I've just replaced the bushes in my 18v Dewalt.

You are of course aware that the 12v drill was really a light drill/driver and not meant for heavy work?
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 27 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Ribenapigeon wrote:
I'm looking at getting a Stanley Fatmax 18v drill as a replacement for my 12v Dewalt which is shit and dousent drill straight.


If its a new Dewalt return it, if not change the bearings. They are rebuildable, I've just replaced the bushes in my 18v Dewalt.

You are of course aware that the 12v drill was really a light drill/driver and not meant for heavy work?


Its not the bearings or a bent shaft its a fault Dewalt don't admit to on these drills (its eight years old). I think its the thread on the shaft that dousent match the thread on the chuck.
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PostPosted: 08:16 - 28 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Its not the bearings or a bent shaft its a fault Dewalt don't admit to on these drills (its eight years old). I think its the thread on the shaft that dousent match the thread on the chuck.


Any run out would be easy to measure, length of rod in the chuck so I am surprised at this.
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 28 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Ribenapigeon wrote:
Its not the bearings or a bent shaft its a fault Dewalt don't admit to on these drills (its eight years old). I think its the thread on the shaft that dousent match the thread on the chuck.


Any run out would be easy to measure, length of rod in the chuck so I am surprised at this.


I made a run out gauge with a length of rod and found there was no deviation with the chuck off measuring just the shaft but with the chuck on there was loads. I tried several other chucks and all the same. So I looked at the threads. I don't have a thread gauge so pushed some blutak on to get an impression. I think the thread on the shaft has been cut about 0.1mm out. I could get a proper gauge and pester Dewalt about it but I doubt I would get anywhere.

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PostPosted: 12:05 - 28 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
How much did the garage/workshop cost that you store all these tools in when you aren't using them?


Nothing. I have a big metal shed in the garden that holds the bike bench, parts cleaner and various boxed tools and engines. The tool box is in with the washing machine in the utility cupboard along with 2 more large shelves full of cased tools.

It should be added that I am usually working on one thing or another, yesterday it was making up power cables for heated jackets, last week I was repairing heated jackets and today it was rewiring heated grips.

Yes Lozzy and myself have 'discussions' about the spread of tools through the house, like having the tyre machine in the kitchen so I have to be tidier now and I do appreciate that in the average household storing the amount of tools I have is a problem but it works both ways. If your other half wants you to do things like maintaining your families vehicles and/or DIY then they have to accept that you need the tools for the job.
In Chris's case he is building a garage for the bikes and tools, he has to make sure he doesn't fall into the trap of using the garage for general storage of household crap that has no where else to go, this will encourage him to work on his own vehicles and in so doing save money.

I don't ever expect anyone to have the amount of equipment that I do, most would never use it but anyone who works on their own vehicles should have a basic tool set and cabinets for storage, then they can see at a glance if anything is missing or needs repair/replacement.
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 28 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going back to 1/4" drive, I bought this a while ago, the finish is beautiful and it's a fairly comprehensive set made in the UK (in the original Britool factory if the website is right), I can't really comment on the longevity as I've only had it for around two years and my 1/4" gear gets an easy ride. Bahco socket sets seem robust, well priced and not trying to 'do a halfords' by being high polished chrome, I (ab)used a 1/4" set for about 5 years without issue until it got "lost" on site.

Spanners are Stahlwille or Elora for me given the choice, I've been using a set of 'Kennedy Professional' for around 10 years and while I'd like to upgrade to a set of Stahlwille's (much nicer to use, slimmer jaws etc) I can't justify spending the wedge when I've yet to have a failure.

Tool boxes seem overpriced until you suffer the cheaper one's, we used to get supplied with Clarke at work but they're absolute shit, they moved onto Beta which are a lot better but not much (any?) cheaper than snap-on. Start with a top box on a bench, you can fit a lot more than you realise in one.
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 28 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:

You also need an angle grinder. Actually no, better make one of each size. Wink

Only tool that's every truly terrified me is a 9" angle grinder when cutting through a brick wall. Do not like.
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 28 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yorkshire Geek wrote:

Only tool that's every truly terrified me is a 9" angle grinder when cutting through a brick wall. Do not like.

Because you wanted to be using a 14" 'Stihl Saw' with a 7hp motor?
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 28 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

A corkscrew.
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If none of those little fuckers work, at least you can open a bottle of wine.
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 03 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I noticed that there have been quite a few Blue Point items coming up on ebay auctions lately. This seller seems to have a lot https://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/the_carfixer.

Blue Point is the Snap-on budget range but don't discount it because of that, quality is still good. If I wanted a 1/4 drive set of sockets I would be looking here.
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 03 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:

A roller cabinet at £400 will be thin steel and will flex. Mine cost about £700 20 years ago doesn't flex and weighs about 200kg before you put the tools in.
Funny thing is you would happily spend £400 on a TV for the bedroom that will last maybe 5 years, here we are talking about buying a tool box that will last in excess of 50 years so the rest of your life and you are questioning the cost of it.


I think it is insane to spend £400 on a tool chest for £400 worth of tools, I'd rather have £800 worth of tools and peg them up on a board or keep them in draws

My TV was £550 and has lasted 5 years so far and should last more, the difference is it is a complicated finely tuned instrument, a tool chest is metals trays and bearings, there isn't anything complicated there. I feel they are all massively overpriced for what they actually are.
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 03 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Ste wrote:
You need a range of different hammers.

- Normal hammer.
- Dead blow hammer.
- Club hammer.
- Rubber mallet.
- Sledge hammer.

A folding set of allen keys is very useful.

1/4 inch sockets up to 14 or 15, 1/2 sockets down to 10 or 12.

Combination spanners give you the closed ring which if there's enough space is much better than using the open end of the spanner.

For screw drivers you just want to get a half decent quality set with a wide enough range of different sizes.

You also need an angle grinder. Actually no, better make one of each size. Wink



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PostPosted: 15:14 - 05 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
I think it is insane to spend £400 on a tool chest for £400 worth of tools, I'd rather have £800 worth of tools and peg them up on a board or keep them in draws

My TV was £550 and has lasted 5 years so far and should last more, the difference is it is a complicated finely tuned instrument, a tool chest is metals trays and bearings, there isn't anything complicated there. I feel they are all massively overpriced for what they actually are.


Then let me rephrase.

You will spend £500 on a crap ikea wardrobe for your bedroom that your other half will decide in two or three years needs changing.

If you have a tool cabinet you will be very happy when someone breaks into your shed and can't move it because it is locked up and secured to the ground. Much happier than you will be when they look at your peg board nicely set out to show off your tools and they throw everything into a bag or suitcase that your other half has decided needs to be stored in the garage.

The bottom line is it is your money to spend how you will and value is a very odd personal thing. If you don't want a tool cabinet don't get one but it seems rather stupid to me to leave £800 of tools on display and unsecured.
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 05 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with sickpup if you're going to spend money on the tools then its better to play safe with a good tool box you can lock. If People notice you have tools with next to no security then they won't last long and once they are in it won't just be the tools that go.
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PostPosted: 03:02 - 06 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
a tool chest is metals trays and bearings, there isn't anything complicated there. I feel they are all massively overpriced for what they actually are.


Well there are complex things like folding is particular ways so they can hold the weight needed without deforming as if they did deform it would make it hard to open drawers. For example here is a single one (I have several as you may remember) of my socket trays...

https://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad297/750RK/Odds%20and%20ends/20151205_144113.jpg

Notice the weight on the scales, thats 12 pounds so only 2 pounds short of a stone in weight. Now any cheap tool cabinet will hold around 30kgs per drawer, the better ones will hold 40kg+ per drawer so a simple 5 drawer cabinet will hold 150KG WITHOUT deforming. To put that in context a simple 7 drawer chest will hold 210kg evenly spread WITHOUT deforming, thats the weight of your TDM850.

It is still your money and it is still your choice but being uninformed when making your choices and not understanding why something costs what it does doesn't help you.
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 06 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
I noticed that there have been quite a few Blue Point items coming up on ebay auctions lately. This seller seems to have a lot https://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/the_carfixer.

Blue Point is the Snap-on budget range but don't discount it because of that, quality is still good. If I wanted a 1/4 drive set of sockets I would be looking here.


You have to be very careful with Blue point as the Warranty varies from product to product. On some items it is only 3 months. Also where do you plan to go for warranty replacements? Most Snap-on vans will only warranty what they have sold as it costs them to send the items back.
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PostPosted: 09:58 - 07 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
You have to be very careful with Blue point as the Warranty varies from product to product. On some items it is only 3 months. Also where do you plan to go for warranty replacements? Most Snap-on vans will only warranty what they have sold as it costs them to send the items back.


Agree with that, buyer beware and everything.

Was just that a lot of that sellers items were on auction with no reserve. I would take the chance on a set of 1/4 drive sockets won for £10 for example. I have a bit of Blue Point stuff that has lasted years. Admittedly not sockets & spanners that get used a lot, but circlip pliers and things like that. Quality is good enough that I would give the sockets a go.
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 07 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
chris-red wrote:
a tool chest is metals trays and bearings, there isn't anything complicated there. I feel they are all massively overpriced for what they actually are.


Well there are complex things like folding is particular ways so they can hold the weight needed without deforming as if they did deform it would make it hard to open drawers. For example here is a single one (I have several as you may remember) of my socket trays...

https://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad297/750RK/Odds%20and%20ends/20151205_144113.jpg

Notice the weight on the scales, thats 12 pounds so only 2 pounds short of a stone in weight. Now any cheap tool cabinet will hold around 30kgs per drawer, the better ones will hold 40kg+ per drawer so a simple 5 drawer cabinet will hold 150KG WITHOUT deforming. To put that in context a simple 7 drawer chest will hold 210kg evenly spread WITHOUT deforming, thats the weight of your TDM850.

It is still your money and it is still your choice but being uninformed when making your choices and not understanding why something costs what it does doesn't help you.


I don't have and will probably never have 150kg of tools though, unless we included the bench AND vice. It'll be drivers, allen keys, spanners, sockets 1/4 & 1/2, and a jumble of misc stuff, hammers, pliers, spring puller, fork seal driver, chain breaker etc. etc.

So that'd be 40kg at the absolute max.

a £400 toolbox that holds 150kg of tools is pointless for someone with ~40kg of tools that probably cost ~£400

I'm sure they are good if you have a shit load of tools and you use everyday, I'll have mostly basics and use it twice a month.

P.S. my TDM900 Weighs 220kg Wink
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 07 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have a huge number of tools either but I bought a chest and cabinet combo because it brought everything together instead of being scattered in various boxes on the floor. It makes it all easily accessible and at a reasonable height and brings a sense of order to the new garage.
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 07 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris

If you don't want to buy a half decent let alone a decent tool chest/cabinet then don't but stop trying to justify why you shouldn't do it.

Simple FACT is if you get one and there is loads of space in it you will fill it by putting things such as extra oil filters, bulbs etc in it as it keeps everything to hand. You will also find you put drill bits in it, your drill, you airline bits because it is pointless having a garage that has no power and if it has power you will get a compressor and you will get air tools. You will also place your household bits like screws and rawl plugs in it, spare fuses, tap washers etc and in no time at all you will find that you need a bigger tool box. And seriously do you think you will only ever need one fork seal driver, you going to keep the same bike forever?

If you really want to go into it where are you planning on keeping your lathe bits? I would suggest a tool cabinet is the perfect place and they aren't exactly lightweight bits.

And are you planning on restricting yourself to a minimal toolkit for the rest of your life? I thought the point of having this garage was you could actually do things in it and save money.

Bottom line is your money your choice but please stop trying to justify why a DIYer shouldn't have a tool cabinet, they are cheap enough when you consider they last decades and protect your investment.

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