The Nazis got me, advice?

Tierbirdy · Crazy Courier Joined: 25 Jun 2014 Karma :

Two weeks before christmas and the cnuts are out in force to earn their christmas bonuses it seems...

Me and the rest of the town been parking here forever, never had an issue parking there before. And today suddenly a whole row of cars slapped with tickets on the screen, and one wrapped around my topbox carry handle! Evil or Very Mad

£110 for parking for (witnessed time of) 2 minutes in a "loading only" bay.

Im a broke student in the runup to christmas, I aint got this kind of money to spare and even if I did I'd begrudge paying it to these cockwombles.

Any advice for contesting this or how to get out of it? To me it seems that the road sign clearly says "30 mins max" so as long as I was there before that 30 mins was up, how can they know I wasnt loading? An observation time of 2 mins is not enough to prove whether Im loading or not surely? Could I simply claim to be a motorbike courier picking something up? Theres nothing on the sign that says to be considered loading you have to stay with the vehicle.

Can I get out of this? Or have they got me bang to rights?

https://i.imgur.com/Cnr2zoa.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/aRWggkP.jpg

MCN · Super Spammer Joined: 22 Jul 2015 Karma :

Restrictions apply for non commercial vehicles.
If you have a trade license and were on business then contest.

If not, then Loob-up. Sad

It is not difficult to get a ticket like this. As if road safety wasn't enough to contend with. Smile

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CaNsA · Super Spammer Joined: 02 Jan 2008 Karma :

"I was dropping off documents"

Worked for me several times in the past.

M.C · Super Spammer Joined: 29 Sep 2015 Karma :

What council is this? Check their website and see if you can appeal and still pay the reduced fine if you lose (if there's one). I got off a ticket by appealing and it turned out the traffic nazi hadn't submitted the correct evidence.

I also thought they had to observe you for 5 minutes, maybe research this, and anything else that might get you off Smile

Tierbirdy · Crazy Courier Joined: 25 Jun 2014 Karma :

Tierbirdy · Crazy Courier Joined: 25 Jun 2014 Karma :

Actually, further to the 5 minute thing, Ive just found this: https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/further-details-of-contravention-code-25

Specifically this bit: "Contravention code 25 shall be used for non-goods vehicles (cars, motorbikes, and so on) seen to be parked in a loading bay during restricted hours without loading. A five minute observation period will be applied."

Problem is, thats Northern Ireland directGov, theres nothing similar on the UK DirectGov... but NI is part of the UK, so surely similar rules apply? Im a bit lost on this. Thinking

CaNsA · Super Spammer Joined: 02 Jan 2008 Karma :

Rogerborg · nimbA Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :

100% contest it, you have nothing to lose by doing so.

I'd feel exactly as much compunction to limit myself to the "truth" as their parking footpads would.
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Jayy · Mr. Ponzi Joined: 08 Jun 2009 Karma :

"Civil Enforcement Officer" oh civil yeah? Well fuck ya.

Tierbirdy · Crazy Courier Joined: 25 Jun 2014 Karma :

Actually a bit more digging and I might be onto a winner... maybe! Found this:

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/17411/response/72068/attach/8/Contravention%20Codes%20on%20the%20TLRN%20V1.3%20Nov%2008.pdf

(which is a bit of a broken website, but if you download the PDF it shows this: )

https://i.imgur.com/UgQXxVn.png

Potentially winner?

M.C · Super Spammer Joined: 29 Sep 2015 Karma :

This is interesting: https://www.parkingfinesandlines.com/ContraventionZone/Code25.aspx

Seems like "was 2 minutes enough to ascertain if someone was unloading" might be a good enough defense.

Looking at my back catalog of tickets, they say 3, 4 mins or don't specify an observation time but these weren't loading bays.

I do recall that they don't need to wait a certain amount of time after parking restrictions coming into force. Eg: 8.30-8.33 when they came into force at 8.30 Mad

Anyhoo, submit a well written/researched appeal and see what happens. You can spend ages researching lines and signage but in my experience they don't admit they're wrong.

Tierbirdy · Crazy Courier Joined: 25 Jun 2014 Karma :

Wobbling Dog · Nitrous Nuisance Joined: 12 Mar 2013 Karma :

Leeds City Council pleasured me a couple of years back with a loading bay ticket near the LGI at 2 in the morning!!! I appealed asking for some sympathy as my father was rushed in there after suffering a stroke-how foolish was I expecting such consideration.

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WD Forte · World Chat Champion Joined: 17 Jun 2010 Karma :

£110 for two minutes?
Ouch! that's bloody harsh.
I'd try the documents wheeze or at least argue like buggery over the
observed time thing

Good luck with it
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dydey90 · World Chat Champion Joined: 01 Oct 2013 Karma :

Judging from similar threads in the past, if you quote chapter and verse when contesting they generally bottle it.
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MattEMulsion · World Chat Champion Joined: 29 Aug 2004 Karma :

Try and get away with it on a technicality or bullshit alone all you want.

But if you don't, remember that you flouted the rules, you got caught and you may have to suffer the consequences.

I've been there, done it and still have the t-shirt...
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MCN · Super Spammer Joined: 22 Jul 2015 Karma :

https://assets.digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk/media/560aa6c7ed915d035900001a/the-highway-code-road-markings.pdf

Page three of the PDF file

Loading will probably only apply to COMMERCIAL vehicles

OP Loob-up man Rolling Eyes

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dandelion · Nitrous Nuisance Joined: 18 Feb 2013 Karma :

The rules are clear but the wardens give zero f's, five minutes my ace.
I had the same experience while picking up some lunch for office visitors, I took 3 minutes to grab some sandwiches and the note was already on my handlebar, written and well stuck, the warden was about a block and a half away. £70 in Hertfordshire.

Contest it like I did but don't hold your breath.
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Tierbirdy · Crazy Courier Joined: 25 Jun 2014 Karma :

Wonko The Sane · World Chat Champion Joined: 20 Jan 2013 Karma :

what's the signage say?

Some specify comercial vehicles only, others don't, the latter I'm sure would be fair game if you were delivering something as per MCN's post.
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Tierbirdy · Crazy Courier Joined: 25 Jun 2014 Karma :

matto · Crazy Courier Joined: 18 Apr 2012 Karma :

I don't think those markings look anything like the ones shown in the diagrams...

MCN · Super Spammer Joined: 22 Jul 2015 Karma :

How the fcuk the cooncil decide to paint is up to them.
They have carte blanche when it comes to parking laws (and other revenue generating stuff).

I wouldn't phaph much more on here and get over to a parking ticket website and ask.
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