Resend my activation email : Register : Log in 
BCF: Bike Chat Forums


Potentially blind/dangerous driver, should I grass them up?

Reply to topic
Bike Chat Forums Index -> General Bike Chat Goto page 1, 2  Next
View previous topic : View next topic  
Author Message

Stoker
Nitrous Nuisance



Joined: 13 Sep 2014
Karma :

PostPosted: 21:50 - 18 Dec 2015    Post subject: Potentially blind/dangerous driver, should I grass them up? Reply with quote

Hi folks, as I'm typing this I guess I know the answer, but....
After filling up today in my local supermarket, the woman in front was confused about which pump she ought to be paying for (quite elderly, 70+) She wasn't quite sure which pump she had parked at, and when the attendant suggested the correct one,"Pump 12?" she squinted out of the window and said " I don't know, i cant see, I haven't got my glasses on"

The sign at the pump was MASSIVE, a huge number 12 for all the world to see, but she couldn't see it?

I said, quite loudly for to hear, "You're driving a car, but you can't see THAT?" pointing to the huge yellow and black sign above her car!

The attendant said my actions were rude, and how did I know that she was the driver..... said old lady then got into the drivers seat and drove off.

I would feel (be) guilty if anyone was injured, but have a feeling that the rozzers would not be interested unless a crime had been commiited....
Your thoughts please..
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Rogerborg
nimbA



Joined: 26 Oct 2010
Karma :

PostPosted: 21:59 - 18 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yIj7PAQxu6o/VWGqwie6I7I/AAAAAAAALNI/jbXA_bIVfy0/s1600/ecuminical.png
____________________
Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

M.C
Super Spammer



Joined: 29 Sep 2015
Karma :

PostPosted: 22:00 - 18 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could have genuinely left her glasses in the car? A lot of people continue driving with bad eyesight. I doubt the police would be interested, and then there's the whole being a grass thing.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Ste
Not Work Safe



Joined: 01 Sep 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 22:04 - 18 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kill her. Thumbs Up
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

talkToTheHat
World Chat Champion



Joined: 21 Feb 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 22:05 - 18 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

How would you feel if she were to mow down a number of children due to being unable to see them?
____________________
Bandit. does. everything.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Kawasaki Jimbo
World Chat Champion



Joined: 09 Oct 2015
Karma :

PostPosted: 22:19 - 18 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I try to cut old folks and learner drivers a bit of slack. You can see them a mile off. There are plenty of compos mentis drivers who really don't care enough to use their given mental facility to steer tons of fast metal though traffic and past schools, etc. They're the ones who should go to jail in my opinion.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

WD Forte
World Chat Champion



Joined: 17 Jun 2010
Karma :

PostPosted: 22:43 - 18 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

She should have kicked you in the bollocks and told you to fuck off.
You don't know she's any more of a hazard than any other driver,
she may have just been confused over all the signage.

Statistically she's in a safer driver group than you are,
why don't you stop driving for the good of others?
____________________
bikers smell of wee
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

-Matt-
World Chat Champion



Joined: 28 Apr 2013
Karma :

PostPosted: 22:45 - 18 Dec 2015    Post subject: Re: Potentially blind/dangerous driver, should I grass them Reply with quote

hitchawk wrote:
she squinted out of the window and said " I don't know, i cant see, I haven't got my glasses on"
Quite possibly she just forgot her glasses as a one off/didn't have her glasses on at the time. Even if she had them in the car she was probably rather embarrassed after you and the attendant shouted out to her about the pump to bother going to put her glasses on and continue filling up, I would imagine.

I'd consider how much it might affect her if you report it and it isn't actually a problem - the DVLA contacting many elderly people who are fit to drive because ''someone reported you'' is enough to put them off driving altogether; which can lead to all sorts of issues. Furthermore, elderly drivers in all their health states pose a lot less risk than lots of other demographics overall going by the majority of statistics; they get a lot more stick for bad driving than they deserve in my opinion.
hitchawk wrote:
have a feeling that the rozzers would not be interested unless a crime had been commiited
Little if anything to do with them, even if you report to them. Its a matter for the DVLA and possibly her GP should they request anything. The DVLA are predictably slow and useless at following up legitimate cases of concern regards impaired drivers a lot of the time, even when information is referred from GP's; some Dementia diagnoses as an example, nevermind dealing with the barrage of pointless reports they receive.

If you do want to report it you can do it here. Realistically, with the amount of information I imagine you have theres probably not going to be anything come of it anyway.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

monkeybiker
World Chat Champion



Joined: 23 Sep 2014
Karma :

PostPosted: 23:03 - 18 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:


Statistically she's in a safer driver group than you are,
why don't you stop driving for the good of others?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24204489

Are they safe? Also consider they drive a lot less as well.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Llama-Farmer
World Chat Champion



Joined: 23 Jan 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 23:20 - 18 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Police probably not that interested... DVLA not that interested either.


A friend's mother is a doctor, and she contacted the DVLA to have her fathers licence suspended until being assessed by a doctor as fit to drive.
DVLA refused to as she was not an independent party. In the two weeks it took to have friends grandfathers GP request a report from ophthalmic surgeon and forward to the DVLA, there had already been an accident resulting in injury.

Granted the police concluded it wasn't his fault, but did determine he was not properly fit to drive and that directly contributed to not being able to avoid an avoidable accident.

In fairness to him, he (probably) genuinely believed he was fit to drive, as he comes from a background where occupational health requirements far exceeded driving fitness, and had self-declared temporarily unfit numerous times throughout his career and undergone voluntary medical evaluation... but the DVLA missed their chance to prevent an injury, which could have been a lot worse actually, and probably would have done if not for quicker-than-average (for age) reaction times and higher-than-norm SA.


DVLA are useless, police probably don't care, not much you can do.
____________________
Current Bike: 1999 Honda CB600 FX Hornet
Next Bike: I want a CBR-RR. And I want an F800 GS-A. And a VFR 800. Can I have all 3?
Dream Bikes: Honda VFR750R RC30, Honda NSR500, Ducati 996 R
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

-Matt-
World Chat Champion



Joined: 28 Apr 2013
Karma :

PostPosted: 23:28 - 18 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

monkeybiker wrote:
WD Forte wrote:
Statistically she's in a safer driver group than you are,
why don't you stop driving for the good of others?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24204489
Are they safe? Also consider they drive a lot less as well.
Its a fair point and is definitely debatable. If you relate the 'latest' census data to fatal accidents though, firstly there is a disproportionate amount of people in the 20-29 age range killed compared to the 70+ age range. Secondly, poorer physical health in the older age groups also plays a big part in fatalities, which makes the fatalities in the younger, generally 'good health' groups even more significant.

Some other statistics are very misleading too, like many that focus on 'serious accidents'. A 'serious accident' is often considered anything that requires hospital treatment; that can be something as small as a cut finger potentially, which again is much more likely to result in a hospital visit for an elderly driver compared to a young driver.
https://i64.tinypic.com/2a7wz13.jpg

To balance it; there are other studies that do put a bit more focus on elderly drivers being related to fatalities. It all depends on how they're measuring the results though - in terms of passengers/pedestrians/drivers and so on.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22860696
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Stoker
Nitrous Nuisance



Joined: 13 Sep 2014
Karma :

PostPosted: 00:45 - 19 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Liked the Father Ted Reference, and no, when she got back into her car and drove off she wasn't wearing any specs. and before anyone asks, no, I didn't see her do anything to suggest that she was inserting her contact lenses!
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

mentalboy
World Chat Champion



Joined: 05 May 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 03:12 - 19 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder how the 'cut her some slack' posters would respond if she knocked them off their bike because she didn't see them?

Hey it's OK though because she might have forgotten her glasses/marbles just that once and she only ever drives the same route so she knows all the obstacles Rolling Eyes
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha
World Chat Champion



Joined: 22 Nov 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 05:03 - 19 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

talkToTheHat wrote:
How would you feel if she were to mow down a number of children due to being unable to see them?


Aroused, ready for a decent infanticide necro session.

You?
____________________
"Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent."

Mobylette Type 50 ---> Raleigh Grifter ---> Neval Minsk 125
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

iooi
Super Spammer



Joined: 14 Jan 2007
Karma :

PostPosted: 05:58 - 19 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Llama-Farmer wrote:
Police probably not that interested... DVLA not that interested either.


A friend's mother is a doctor, and she contacted the DVLA to have her fathers licence suspended until being assessed by a doctor as fit to drive.
DVLA refused to as she was not an independent party. In the two weeks it took to have friends grandfathers GP request a report from ophthalmic surgeon and forward to the DVLA, there had already been an accident resulting in injury.


So WTF did she not do the simple thing of either removing the car or the keys so he could NOT drive. Rolling Eyes
____________________
Just because my bike was A DIVVY, does not mean i am......
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

someotherguy
Crazy Courier



Joined: 04 Aug 2015
Karma :

PostPosted: 07:58 - 19 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
You don't know she's any more of a hazard than any other driver,
she may have just been confused over all the signage.


Laughing

I'd consider someone being confused over signage to be a major hazard, bad eyesight or not.

https://www.allpark.co.uk/user/products/large/No-Entry-2.jpg

And yeah, grass them up Thumbs Up
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

.....
Quote Me Happy



Joined: 15 Jan 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 08:35 - 19 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Llama-Farmer wrote:
Police probably not that interested.


You underestimate traffic police.

01 code on the licence means eyesight correction must be worn, not wearing it could potentially be driving not in accordance with a licence.

The average popo would probably not be interested unless they witnessed the old dear driving dangerously and use it as the ways and means act to get her off the road before she kills someone.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

MCN
Super Spammer



Joined: 22 Jul 2015
Karma :

PostPosted: 09:25 - 19 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Kill her. Thumbs Up


Fite her!
____________________
Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

bugeye_bob
World Chat Champion



Joined: 05 Sep 2013
Karma :

PostPosted: 09:40 - 19 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
Llama-Farmer wrote:
Police probably not that interested.


You underestimate traffic police.

01 code on the licence means eyesight correction must be worn, not wearing it could potentially be driving not in accordance with a licence.

The average popo would probably not be interested unless they witnessed the old dear driving dangerously and use it as the ways and means act to get her off the road before she kills someone.


the fact she was only refuelling her car means that observation is worthless.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

.....
Quote Me Happy



Joined: 15 Jan 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 10:11 - 19 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

bugeye_bob wrote:
the fact she was only refuelling her car means that observation is worthless.


And then drove off.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

grr666
Super Spammer



Joined: 16 Jun 2014
Karma :

PostPosted: 10:48 - 19 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many half dead, myopic little old ladies driving battle scarred Micras and Corsas round here. I guess it's a symptom
of living in a small parish town with many old folk.

With many I reckon it's a case of hubbys gone and when he was alive he drove everywhere. A lot of them would
have learned to drive purely as a hobby, multiple car families are very common now, not so much when they
would have obtained their licences. My wifes Nan was like that, she could see fine and was very well generally.
But her husband always drove and once he was dead she had to dust off her 70's acquired licence and take
to the roads after a 40 year hiatus. Absolutely fugging terrifying!!! In particular on faster roads. She refused
to use the motorway at all Shocked Her judgement at the wheel was appalling. Couldn't plan ahead, poor spatial
awareness, poor use of controls. Yet perfectly legal. I guarantee I could drive better after 3 pints (and I
rarely drink) than she could on her very best day at the wheel on empty roads. But one of us would lose
our licence if stopped by the rozzers and it wouldn't be her, that's for sure.
____________________
Currently enjoying products from Ford, Mazda and Yamaha
Ste wrote: Avatars are fine, it's signatures that need turning off. Thumbs Up
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Llama-Farmer
World Chat Champion



Joined: 23 Jan 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 11:58 - 19 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Llama-Farmer wrote:
Police probably not that interested... DVLA not that interested either.


A friend's mother is a doctor, and she contacted the DVLA to have her fathers licence suspended until being assessed by a doctor as fit to drive.
DVLA refused to as she was not an independent party. In the two weeks it took to have friends grandfathers GP request a report from ophthalmic surgeon and forward to the DVLA, there had already been an accident resulting in injury.


So WTF did she not do the simple thing of either removing the car or the keys so he could NOT drive. Rolling Eyes


Lives several hours from them, but as far as I'm aware she tried to but had no support from the rest of the family. It's probably one thing saying to the family "I don't think dad should be driving until he's seen the doctor" to actually taking action that prevents driving. I know if it was our family then that'd cause arguments and bust ups til the end of days.
____________________
Current Bike: 1999 Honda CB600 FX Hornet
Next Bike: I want a CBR-RR. And I want an F800 GS-A. And a VFR 800. Can I have all 3?
Dream Bikes: Honda VFR750R RC30, Honda NSR500, Ducati 996 R
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

MCN
Super Spammer



Joined: 22 Jul 2015
Karma :

PostPosted: 12:07 - 19 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could probably 'grass up' many more folk who probably have 20-20 vision but haven't a Scooby Doo how to drive properly.

Blindnessists are low on My Bad Driver radar.
____________________
Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Robby
Dirty Old Man



Joined: 16 May 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 17:27 - 19 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP attempted to make a scene, and therefore loses by virtue of acting like an American. I bet you even moved out of your correct space in the queue to do so.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Hahadumball
World Chat Champion



Joined: 07 Oct 2015
Karma :

PostPosted: 18:31 - 19 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

boozehitchawk
____________________
Fin: no matter how much I look at It I can't understand what was going through my head, all I remember is going about 80 and redlining it to stop it seizing.
360 Deg... Five 1/4 turns. :- Teflon-Mike 18 Jan 2015
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts
Old Thread Alert!

The last post was made 10 years, 52 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful?
  Display posts from previous:   
This page may contain affiliate links, which means we may earn a small commission if a visitor clicks through and makes a purchase. By clicking on an affiliate link, you accept that third-party cookies will be set.

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Bike Chat Forums Index -> General Bike Chat All times are GMT
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum

Read the Terms of Use! - Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group
 

Debug Mode: ON - Server: birks (www) - Page Generation Time: 0.17 Sec - Server Load: 0.83 - MySQL Queries: 13 - Page Size: 134.84 Kb