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Irn-Bru
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Think it's time for another bike Reply with quote

Had the DRZ for 2 years now, and owned only SM's (DRZ x2, KTM 525 & 690) pretty much since I passed my test. Got the itch for summit with more power, cylinders, range and slightly better practicality - along side the DRZ of course, not getting rid of that. Quite like MT-09's or Street Triple. Not interested in touring really, or sports bikes, they don't interest me at all to be honest. Ideally something quite new and modern as well.

Want to get some test rides booked in soon once the weather improves, especially on the MT-09 because the opinion is a bit mixed on the suspension and fuelling.

I mostly ride in the countryside, dodging sheep, gravel, farmers and pot holes (Cumbria, Hexham & Northumberland), very rarely go on the motorway or commute (that's what cars are for) but would like a bike I could use day to day as that is one thing I can't do with the DRZ for fear of it being stolen.

What say BCF?
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Re: Think it's time for another bike Reply with quote

Irn-Bru wrote:
Quite like MT-09's or Street Triple.

What say BCF?


That was an easy one. Cool
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PostPosted: 11:24 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

test ride the tripples before you buy .. comin from a single you may like the power delivery...

comin from IL4 ;which i cut my teeth on; i did not like it one little bit and could`nt wait to get rid of the fcukin thing..

if you go goat trackin on an MT-09 it will spin up and have you off.. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Re: Think it's time for another bike Reply with quote

Irn-Bru wrote:
Street Triple.


Game over.
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Re: Think it's time for another bike Reply with quote

Irn-Bru wrote:
but would like a bike I could use day to day as that is one thing I can't do with the DRZ for fear of it being stolen.

Tatty GSXR1000.

Consider a newish Multistrada for a similar feel to your current tall bikes for something shinier? (Not sure what prices are like, however.)
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Re: Think it's time for another bike Reply with quote

OP, buy a Street Triple. However, if theft is an issue get a 2013 onwards model as they came with a factory fitted immobiliser. I'd definitely pick one over an MT09. Better suspension, smoother engine, better throttle, lighter, cheaper...

G wrote:
Consider a newish Multistrada for a similar feel to your current tall bikes for something shinier? (Not sure what prices are like, however.)


For a 2010+ 1200S (only peasants buy the base model), you'll be at least £8k. Even at that, you'll be lucky to find one under 20k miles.
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Re: Think it's time for another bike Reply with quote

G wrote:

Consider a newish Multistrada for a similar feel to your current tall bikes for something shinier? (Not sure what prices are like, however.)


ducati is neither cheap to buy or service ... belts carry the big service price tag... and every two years at that...

but i do think a V twin would suit ... KTM or summit.. Question
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't get a 2013 onwards. Just get an alarm that's decent. Twin round lights and empty cans.
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't fancy another KTM any time soon. Expensive, iffy reliability and scotes love nicking them. Ducati's won't be in my price range, and probably have the same issues as KTM's.

Really need a go of an MT-09 on my usual roads but the dealer only does 1 hour test rides, not enough time to get there. Local Yam dealer is about 15 miles away, Triumph is more like 55, would have thought there'd be one in Newcastle unless their site is out dated...
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coming from a DRZ position I think you will prefer an 09.

But you should test ride both as they both have pros and cons Thumbs Up

EDIT: Wasn't sure about the weights but according to Yam and Triumph the MT is 6KG heavier than the street, but has a stronger, slightly more powerful motor. It's horses for courses. See what you prefer!
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

triumph newcastle has gone down the shitter acording to their farcebook page.. your best bet would be Ian bells in bedlington station.
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Re: Think it's time for another bike Reply with quote

OP, what is your budget? If you have MT09 money then you have probably got the best naked bike ever within budget - the Tuono V4R. If you want to save some cash, grab a late model V-Twin one. If you didn't mind it being a KTM, there's always the 990 Superduke, again if you have MT09 money you could maybe stretch to an R model. These things are notorious nutter machines, usually with meticulous owners and they command a nice price as such - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KTM-Superduke-990R-/151941259903?hash=item236067a27f:g:GCIAAOSwKtlWjXtc. There's also the Z1000 which gives you a big range of budgets and models to pick from. Since you aren't doing much motorway and would like a fun bike, you'll probably love them, they're the motorbike equivalent of rally cars.

Copycat73 wrote:
ducati is neither cheap to buy or service ... belts carry the big service price tag... and every two years at that...

but i do think a V twin would suit ... KTM or summit.. Question


A few points to consider - Have you ever actually looked at the price of Ducati servicing? It isn't bad at all on the newer models, see here - https://www.ducatiglasgow.co.uk/servicing/new_model_servicing_plans/service_plan_n411

Secondly, have you ever phoned up for the price of Street Triple servicing? First valve service is going to cost you the sad side of £500...
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:
triumph newcastle has gone down the shitter acording to their farcebook page.. your best bet would be Ian bells in bedlington station.


Ian Bell is the local Yam dealer I spoke of so not sure I'd get a test ride there unless they had a used one in maybe Thinking

Do like Tuono's but Aprilia, Italian, hmm Embarassed

Checked on Yamaha's site and MT-09's are 7.5k new, thought it was more like 6.5k? Don't want ABS if I can help it. Defo be going second hand Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irn-Bru wrote:


Do like Tuono's but Aprilia, Italian, hmm Embarassed



I went for the Street partly because I thought a litre bike was generally too much for the roads around here. The Fazer handles them ok if you don't get carried away, but I think it would be all too easy to get into trouble, and the ST I thought would be a bit less of a handful. I just don't think you need litre power on such roads to have fun.
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another Aprilia bike to consider is the Shiver, they do naked and half faired. Used values are ridiculously low, had a test ride on one before buying a stret triple but a very enjoyable and capable bike.

Wouldnt be bothered by Aprilia reliability with the Tuono. Have an Aprilia Falco and only just developed a problem at almost 50,000 miles. Not an expensive one to fix either, just annoying.

I'd have test rides on as many things as possible. Are you looking new/used and what sort of price range?

If looking new I'd be heading straight back to your Suzuki dealer and trying out the GSR750. 0% finance deals although new bikes have their pros and cons.
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

bells have one second hand example ...

https://www.ianbellmotorcycles.com/yamaha-Locator.aspx?attributes=Make|Model&values=YAMAHA|MT-09&savestate=no

iirc..they charge a fee for a test ride summit like £50 ..
but they knock it off when you buy a bike from them...


Ultimate motors

https://www.ultimatemoto.co.uk/car-listing/yamaha-mt-09/


and David Sykes

https://www.davidsykes-superbikes.com/products/1370-yamaha-mt-09-15-reg-in-r-silver-with-only-1200-miles-6399-otr.aspx
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will get a new MT for £6700 easy. Especially this time of year. Picked up a unregistered 2014 model in January 2015 for £6499.
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't seem to find the non ABS version on yamahas site anymore, last time I checked it was a few hundred quid cheapest than the ABS model.

£50 for a test ride sounds a bit cheeky, surely yamaha supply them a test bike.
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irn-Bru wrote:
Can't seem to find the non ABS version on yamahas site anymore, last time I checked it was a few hundred quid cheapest than the ABS model.

£50 for a test ride sounds a bit cheeky, surely yamaha supply them a test bike.


ABS is now mandatory on all motorcycles over 125cc as of 2016. Thank the EU for that.

I've no idea why you'd want the one without ABS, if you accidentally drop it due to a slide, it'll cost you a LOT more than a few hundred quid to fix and it wont affect braking performance either.
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Albigularis wrote:

I've no idea why you'd want the one without ABS, if you accidentally drop it due to a slide, it'll cost you a LOT more than a few hundred quid to fix and it wont affect braking performance either.


In retrospect, I would have loved ABS on my Triple before I laid it down, so plus one to this.

I vote for a Triple too though, obviously. Great fun when upright.
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irn-Bru wrote:

£50 for a test ride sounds a bit cheeky, surely yamaha supply them a test bike.


yes & yes ..
but he has always done that to my knowlege and now he has the monopoly since M&S lost their franchise ..

that said gettin a test ride from any dealer round here is like pulling teeth ..
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Re: Think it's time for another bike Reply with quote

Albigularis wrote:


A few points to consider - Have you ever actually looked at the price of Ducati servicing? It isn't bad at all on the newer models, see here - https://www.ducatiglasgow.co.uk/servicing/new_model_servicing_plans/service_plan_n411


owtch ... thats still a rip off... Shocked

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Secondly, have you ever phoned up for the price of Street Triple servicing? First valve service is going to cost you the sad side of £500...


goin rate for most bikes Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Re: Think it's time for another bike Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:
Albigularis wrote:


A few points to consider - Have you ever actually looked at the price of Ducati servicing? It isn't bad at all on the newer models, see here - https://www.ducatiglasgow.co.uk/servicing/new_model_servicing_plans/service_plan_n411


owtch ... thats still a rip off... Shocked

Albigularis wrote:

Secondly, have you ever phoned up for the price of Street Triple servicing? First valve service is going to cost you the sad side of £500...


goin rate for most bikes Thumbs Up


Going rate perhaps, but let's say you own the bike for three years or do 15k.

Street Triple you have the initial 600 miler, that's £120, the 1yr (or 6k), that's £150, then 2yr (or 12k - the biggie), £600, 3yr (or 18k) - that's another £150. Total, £1,020. And that's giving the 6k services a lowball, many on the Street Triple forums are reporting figures nearer £200.

Multistrada 1200 - £55 first 600 mile service - £222 first year service - £222 second year - £453 third year. £952 total.

Not a bad deal on those "expensive to run" bikes IMO. Given that the Street Triple valves are every 12k and the new-gen Ducatis are 15k, the longer you own the Ducati, the cheaper it gets.

Not that OP will likely do these kind of mileages, so it's not worth bothering about servicing costs unless you're using something like a CR500 or an SXV550 that needs serviced on a daily basis.
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shame you are not closer to me, would of let you have a test ride Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 10 Jan 2016    Post subject: Re: Think it's time for another bike Reply with quote

Albigularis wrote:

Going rate perhaps, but let's say you own the bike for three years or do 15k.

Street Triple you have the initial 600 miler, that's £120, the 1yr (or 6k), that's £150, then 2yr (or 12k - the biggie), £600, 3yr (or 18k) - that's another £150. Total, £1,020. And that's giving the 6k services a lowball, many on the Street Triple forums are reporting figures nearer £200.

Multistrada 1200 - £55 first 600 mile service - £222 first year service - £222 second year - £453 third year. £952 total.

Not a bad deal on those "expensive to run" bikes IMO. Given that the Street Triple valves are every 12k and the new-gen Ducatis are 15k, the longer you own the Ducati, the cheaper it gets.

Not that OP will likely do these kind of mileages, so it's not worth bothering about servicing costs unless you're using something like a CR500 or an SXV550 that needs serviced on a daily basis.


a convincing argument for doin your own servicing ...

frankly all those prices are a rip off considerin the work involved...
and i do know exactly what is involved..

i have voted with my feet and suggest others do the same Thumbs Up
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