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Marcquinn
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Tuning Reply with quote

Hi can any one help me, I've got a sym jet 50 and it was only doing 30, so I purchased a performance exhaust and a 65cc big bore but now the problem is its only hitting 35 and once it's at that it's making a vibrating noise and won't go over 35 ... Please help
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PostPosted: 00:15 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Re: Tuning Reply with quote

Marcquinn wrote:
Hi can any one help me, I've got a sym jet 50 and it was only doing 30, so I purchased a performance exhaust and a 65cc big bore but now the problem is its only hitting 35 and once it's at that it's making a vibrating noise and won't go over 35 ... Please help


You said "only doing 30" but aren't those 50s targeted at the AM licence and designed to do 28mph to comply with that licence?

Meh, red powerband.
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PostPosted: 00:16 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Put it back as it was, wait till you're old enough to buy something bigger. Wink

Anyway, make it stock again, to see if the problem goes away.
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll have yous know I am old enough its just to get to work
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PostPosted: 00:25 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've bought a vehicle designed to do 30mph and no more

you've done some modifications to adjust power without completing the process, the amount of fuel going into the engine needs to be adjusted now that you've altered the flow of exhaust and the engine size.

either the carb needs setting up and the correct jet fitting or, if electronic ignition it needs mapping.

you'd be better off putting it to stock, selling and getting a 125cc if you want to do more than 30mph
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PostPosted: 00:30 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't like the answers that you got last time?

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=4233711

We have a Workshop section where you'll be told to put it back to stock again in a much[*] more polite fashion.

[*] in the same sense that putting your Stage Eleventy Big Bore Head Power Valve Band kit on has made your ped "much" faster.
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PostPosted: 00:43 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Werckmeister I if im playing J S Bach on the hard-synths, or anything exclusively synthesiser based and written whilst the kit was set up to play bach.

If using the analog synths some attempt at tuning is usually made. It's embarassing having to use auto tune on a synth.
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PostPosted: 00:50 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marcquinn wrote:
I'll have yous know I am old enough its just to get to work


What's wrong with getting to work at 30mph?

But yeah, what Wonko said sounds about right.
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marcquinn wrote:
I'll have yous know I am old enough its just to get to work


If you're old enough then stop fucking about with a 50cc and buy a 125 - then you'll be able to do 60mph and with a red powerband, a carbon-ceramic racing exhaust and a new iridium spark plug you should see at least 120mph which is faster than a ZX10R
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

30mph I do 15 miles of Juelcarrage way
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the word is "you", p̶e̶a̶s̶a̶n̶t̶ my good sir
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marcquinn wrote:
30mph I do 15 miles of Juelcarrage way


I challenge you to a jewel.

Get a more suitable vehicle, 15 miles of speedy roads, get a 125.
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remedial arithmetic: 125 is more than 65.

You're trying to turn a moped into something that it's not. Even if you do magically get something like 50mph out of it after spending many hundreds of pounds and putting in countless hours of careful tuning, it'll still have 28mph brakes and suspension.

Stop pouring money into it, sell it on to a 16 year old, buy yourself an unmeddled-with 125 that will do a real 65, and don't meddle with it.

With hindsight you'll realise that this is sound and well intentioned advice, not a challenge to your throbbing masculinity.
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said get somthing more suitable

15 miles on a duel carriage way no thanks
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marcquinn wrote:
30mph I do 15 miles of Juelcarrage way

Mo-Ped.. compound abbreviation of Motor-Assisted-Pedal cycle.. it's not a fucking audi.. its a push-bike for the lazy!

1/ would you ride a push-bike up the jewel Rolling Eyes DUEL Carriageway?
2/ No-One makes you ride a moped.
3/ no-One makes you ride a moped up the Rolling Eyes DUEL Carriageway
4/ There is a wonderful thing called maps, you can use to plot any number of alternative routes to work in this country.
5/ Mopeds are 'daft'. they aren't 'cheap' any more; they cost as much to tax as a 125. They cost as much to insure, as a 125. They might use a tad less fuel... IF you aren't thrashing them every-where to get anywhere.
6/ TUNED mopeds are even Dafter. They are still 'slow'. IF they even move under their own propulsion for very long, they soon become a 'Push-Bike' that without pedals, is very VERY slow, slower even than one with pedals and no assisting engine, when you have to 'push' it!
When you aren't pushing them, though, the 'economy' they didn't really have to start with is even worse.
AND, well, as a tuned moped isn't a moped, its a 'motorcycle', if insured as a moped... its probably invalid.. might still have the reg-plate from when it was a moped, might still have the frame number from when it was a moped, but its not a moped; its not the vehicle described on the registration document, and not the vehicle you bought insurance for. PLUS.. if you exceed 30mph on the thing.. pretty bludy obviouse that its not a moped, and not the vehicle described on the registration, AND you are exceeding statutory speed limit for both the vehicle you 'claim' it to be, and the licence entitlement you 'claim' to be operating it under...
You may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb and slap the moped number-plate on a Hyabusa.. its actually a few 'less' crimes on the potential rap-sheet! AND some genuine 'speed' for the effort, and without such chance you'll spend more time pushing the damn thing and trying to get piston rings out of smeared piston ring grooves in a nipped up piston than actually getting anywhere...
7/ Bikes will only ever go as fast as the wheels can turn. You can tune an engine as much as you like, and get as much power from it as science will allow.. BUT, with a fixed gear-ratio between the crank-shaft and the back wheel? Unless the crank-shaft turns any faster, then neither will the back wheel!
Adding a big-bore kit, only makes the hole in the engine where fuel gets burned bigger. This means you may get a bigger bang, and might get more 'torque' on the crank-shaft, IF the rest of the engine has been 'matched' to actually fill that bigger hole with extra fuel to burn to get extra torque... and that may allow you to change the gearing to go faster.. but, without changing the gearing.. it will just pull more willingly to the same sort of revs it is designed to and go the same speed.
8/ More mods, to make mods work, demand more mods to make them work, and you get into a cycle of spending ever more money, to make even more problems, reduce reliability, and increase the amount of time spent pissed off with spanners NOT getting anywhere, than you do in the saddle getting some-where.... slowly. even more 'daft'.

In short.

FIND ANOTHER ROUTE TO WORK
and or
BUY A BIGGER BIKE
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Dual" carriageway. As in 2 Laughing


Unless you were being comedic with the jousting metaphor, in which case, I'll er get me coat
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marcquinn wrote:
30mph I do 15 miles of Juelcarrage way


Then you are either going the wrong way or you have bought a bike that's not suited to your desired route.

I sold my 125cc bike to buy a 600cc as I was doing a 40 mile round trip to work and back each day. The 125 could handle it but the 600cc is a bit nicer to use on the m'way.

I used to live on the outskirts of London, to get to work I had to get past Slough, I could have used the M40, or I could use the country lanes to the north which were much more enjoyable.

Google maps is your friend for plotting alternative routes
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

15 miles of dual carriageway?
On a moped?

That's a special grade of stupid you caught....
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Re: Tuning Reply with quote

Marcquinn wrote:
Hi can any one help me, I've got a sym jet 50 and it was only doing 30, so I purchased a performance exhaust and a 65cc big bore but now the problem is its only hitting 35 and once it's at that it's making a vibrating noise and won't go over 35 ... Please help


That's a 17% performance improvement, seems pretty damn good to me! Shocked

Beyond that, as others have said ... Question why Question
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: tuning Reply with quote

You're doing the right thing with the exhaust and big bore kit, you need to fit a stage six or seven carb kit for a bit of extra oomph, get some mag wheels to reduce unsprung weight and upgrade to ohlins suspension to transform the handling, you'll soon be able to give Marquez a run for his money with a bit of practice. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 01:44 - 16 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

you're a tit that's why, there are usually 2 "restrictions" with peds

one is the engine speed, usually the exhaust has a restriction in it that lowers the rpm of the engine, bypass this successfully and the engine can rev higher

another is the wheel speed, in the transmission (usually the variator) there is something that lowers the speed the back wheel can turn at

you have got the engine revving higher, but the back wheel can't spin any faster because you've only de-restricted the engine so far

your ped engine is now revving flat out at 35mph, not surprised it is vibrating

then you need to sort out the fuelling
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