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Marclev
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: CB1000R Reply with quote

Honda seem to have a 0% finance deal on these atm, so this caught my eye. Just wondering what the forum's thoughts were as to this bike?
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

That in the post MT-09 era, it's about £2,500 overpriced and 25kg overweight.
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
That in the post MT-09 era, it's about £2,500 overpriced and 25kg overweight.


But that extra gets you a nice smooth power delivery where the MT is snatchy, quality suspension components compared to the budget stuff they saddled the MT with, and +15 bhp/+12 lb/ft on the Honda.

Out of the box the CB is a better bike, that has not been built down to a price like the MT.
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair comment, but £2,500 better? I guess if you're considering finance then it might not be that far apart monthly.

I'm just spitballing here, I'm far too tight to consider paying £10K for any bike and would just look for reasons to cheap-out.Whistle
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

All depends what you want from the bike.
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Side by side, on the road they are pretty equal in most situations.

I'll agree the Honds is more refined.. But also been told it's boring and bland by a couple of Ex owners. I'm yet to find anyone who has called the MT bland.

It's not perfect but it's not bland and besides, if you was really that bothered by the perfectly average suspension you could stick ohlins back and front and still have enough change for a few tanks of fuel.

The Honda has a nice back wheel/swing arm. That is all I like Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cant fault mine tbh, it's my first big bike so dont have much to compare it to though.
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
That in the post MT-09 era, it's about £2,500 overpriced and 25kg overweight.


Yep, pretty much like every other Honda.

A perfectly good bike, just not £10k worth.
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The seat on mine gave me arse ache and it guzzled petrol.
Wouldnt say the CB is boring, it has loads of grunt. Brakes and handling are fine. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe not £2.5k better but I'm not sure they completely appeal to the same demographic. The MT was always pitched as a competitor to the Striple, that more lightweight streetfighter type vibe. My feeling with the CB was that it was more of a modern muscle bike, moving on from the likes of the CB1300, ZRX1200, GSX1400 etc. with updated components.

If I wanted a naked bike I would consider a CB1000R because I like it's bulk and presence, but I would not be interested in an MT09.
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

DJP wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
That in the post MT-09 era, it's about £2,500 overpriced and 25kg overweight.


Yep, pretty much like every other Honda.

A perfectly good bike, just not £10k worth.


Have to agree with these sentiments. Just seen a BMW S1000R with just over 2k miles on the clock in a dealer's for £9.5k - I don't know what they go for new, but I'd find it hard to justify going for even a new CB over that.
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

£2k deposit, 36 months at £90 a month then £5k final payment...

so £7k in savings.. could buy you a pretty decent 2nd hand bike with <2k miles

once you ride it away itll lose £1k
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
That in the post MT-09 era, it's about £2,500 overpriced and 25kg overweight.


the MT-09 is a twat to ride.. and will spin up the back wheel to those unfamiliar with it.... whilst bobin along with iffy suspension.

the honda does exactly what it says on the tin .. but its not very exciting.. bit of a general purpose machine / sports bike... and the suspension works as described..

i found it relaxin after the mt-09

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£2k deposit, 36 months at £90 a month then £5k final payment...

so £7k in savings.. could buy you a pretty decent 2nd hand bike with <2k miles


if you can find a decent machine .. thread on here some where about a shortage and over pricin of second hand machinery.

Paul Fzs wrote:
once you ride it away it`ll lose £1k


par for the course ... Wink
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

My issue isn't about the CB1000 vs MT09 as such (I actually prefer the Honda), it's about Honda's ridiculous pricing in general.

In 2008 I test rode the Bandit 1250 back-to-back with the Honda CBF1000 – both very, very similar bikes at a very, very similar price.

Now, fast forward a handful of years and while the Suzuki is a smidge over £7k, suddenly the Honda is £10k. Now, given that they're both still pretty much the same bikes, it's hard to see how the Honda suddenly became worth almost 50% more than the Suzuki.

It just doesn't compute. And it seems to be like that pretty much across the Honda range.

Trouble is, once you're spending £10k the motorcycle world is still pretty much your oyster and there is plenty else (pretty much everything else) you can buy for that sort of money.
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

having owned hondas and susuki .. appear the same maybe .. but the build quality of a honda and materials used is better ...
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 15 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

DJP wrote:
... In 2008 I test rode the Bandit 1250 back-to-back with the Honda CBF1000 – both very, very similar bikes at a very, very similar price.

Now, fast forward a handful of years and while the Suzuki is a smidge over £7k, suddenly the Honda is £10k. Now, given that they're both still pretty much the same bikes, it's hard to see how the Honda suddenly became worth almost 50% more than the Suzuki...


This. The 2006-2009 CBF1000 was available new at under £6k. As such I got a cracking deal on my second hand model and would have been happy to move up to the 2010-present model if it hadn’t suddenly got 4 grand more expensive. It’s suddenly competing with more desirable stuff. Bizarre pricing strategy.

As to the CB1000R. Well I’m a massive fan of the CBF and the CB is lighter, more powerful and a lot nicer to look at. However it wouldn't fit my requirements for a workhorse with weather protection.
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