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INCOMING WALL-OF-TEF.
On a YBR, I'd aim to change the engine oil every 1,000 - 1,500 miles and not more than every 2,000. We're talking about a litre of the cheapest generic 10w40 gloop from Tesco here.
Chain and sprockets will last 10 - 15,000 miles if you lube them.
Tyres are surprisingly expensive for rubber that's barely bigger than mountain bike tyres, and will want doing maybe every 8,000 miles.
Brakes, maybe every 10,000 depending how you use them. Pads are cheap and easy to replace. Shoes on the drum will be a bit more work.
A spark plug every 15,000 miles or so, brake fluid changes every 2 years, and if you're unlucky you'll have to do the fork seals at some point which often leads to a thread in the Workshop section with some saucy language.
If it's an occasional fun toy, you're unlikely to rip through all the consumables while you own it though, and at 100mpg and upwards you're not going to get much cheaper motoring. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | INCOMING WALL-OF-TEF.
On a YBR, I'd aim to change the engine oil every 1,000 - 1,500 miles and not more than every 2,000. We're talking about a litre of the cheapest generic 10w40 gloop from Tesco here.
Chain and sprockets will last 10 - 15,000 miles if you lube them.
Tyres are surprisingly expensive for rubber that's barely bigger than mountain bike tyres, and will want doing maybe every 8,000 miles.
Brakes, maybe every 10,000 depending how you use them. Pads are cheap and easy to replace. Shoes on the drum will be a bit more work.
A spark plug every 15,000 miles or so, brake fluid changes every 2 years, and if you're unlucky you'll have to do the fork seals at some point which often leads to a thread in the Workshop section with some saucy language.
If it's an occasional fun toy, you're unlikely to rip through all the consumables while you own it though, and at 100mpg and upwards you're not going to get much cheaper motoring. |
Cheers. I don't mind engine oil, I mean my car takes something like 8-10 litres of oil.
These jobs that you mentioned, where would I have them carried out? Is there national chain like F1 or National Tyres and Autocar but for motorcycles that you would recommend?
Yeah I'm just hoping to buy the bike and have it around for nice days and local trips into heavy areas where I don't want my car to get scratched.
So the main thing is engine oil every 1000 miles, got you.
I might commute to work in rare occasions, say if there is heavy traffic. I have to do a stint on the motorway though about 6-7 miles. ____________________ V6 |
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| Silver_Fox wrote: | Why cheapo oil? |
What arry said, and I'd rather change twice as often than run better oil for twice as long.
1,000 miles is an OCD interval though. The Jianshe manual for that engine recommends every 2,000 miles, or curiously, every 3 months. I'm just keeping in mind that you can burn through a litre of oil pretty sharpish - ask the CBF125 owners with seized pistons.
| REKX wrote: | These jobs that you mentioned, where would I have them carried out? |
In your garage or driveway? None of them are difficult. The YBR is designed to be serviced using the most basic facilities.
There are no national bike servicing chains that I'm aware of. Main dealers will rinse you for basic servicing. Bear in mind that an hour worked on a YBR costs the same as an hour worked on a YZF-R1. You won't recoup anything that you spend on a YBR in resale.
If you do pay for work to be done to it then I'd suggest trying out the local independents to see who at least lubes you up before bum pumping you.
| REKX wrote: | I have to do a stint on the motorway though about 6-7 miles. |
Sadly, not while displaying L plates. A CBT just validates your provisional license. No pillion passenger, no motorways. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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When I was sat on my 125, I couldn't see the plates. And why should I give a fuck about what anyone else is looking at?
Ride, enjoy ... if you want rid of the L plates, pass your test. ____________________ Triumph Sprint ST 1050. And it's Red. |
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They do about a billion MPG (N.B. may be slight exaggeration, it used to cost me about £12 to brim the tank from empty, and that would do the best part of 200 miles before I had to start thinking about filling up again), everything is easy to fix or change on it with the most basic set of tools and mechanical knowledge, they will run forever if you look after them... or even if you dont, Im shocked to read this thread and see people suggesting changing the oil every 1-2000 miles I changed mine annually, maybe twice a year if I was feeling generous, by which point it was probably closer to 10-15k miles... and never cleaned the oil filter either because it was an utter bastard to get at (on mine it was the small mesh filter screen type, that involved taking the gearbox cover off, which was an utter bastard to do as you had to take the rear brake pedal assembly apart too and everything was seized to buggery, so I decided it was probably more hassle than it was worth )
I used mine as a daily hack all year round, blipping around inner London and some long (incredibly tedious) trips up and down the A303/A30 to get to family in Cornwall and back, ragged the tits off it and neglected it to hell (Well according to this thread anyway, I thought I took quite good care of it... apparently not ) and it just kept on going no matter what. |
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| Tierbirdy wrote: | They do about a billion MPG (N.B. may be slight exaggeration, it used to cost me about £12 to brim the tank from empty, and that would do the best part of 200 miles before I had to start thinking about filling up again), everything is easy to fix or change on it with the most basic set of tools and mechanical knowledge, they will run forever if you look after them... or even if you dont, Im shocked to read this thread and see people suggesting changing the oil every 1-2000 miles  I changed mine annually, maybe twice a year if I was feeling generous, by which point it was probably closer to 10-15k miles... and never cleaned the oil filter either because it was an utter bastard to get at (on mine it was the small mesh filter screen type, that involved taking the gearbox cover off, which was an utter bastard to do as you had to take the rear brake pedal assembly apart too and everything was seized to buggery, so I decided it was probably more hassle than it was worth  )
I used mine as a daily hack all year round, blipping around inner London and some long (incredibly tedious) trips up and down the A303/A30 to get to family in Cornwall and back, ragged the tits off it and neglected it to hell (Well according to this thread anyway, I thought I took quite good care of it... apparently not  ) and it just kept on going no matter what. |
I done the same with mine although I never done any of the servicing myself always took it into a mechanic and he never charged me over £100.
I do the same with my Beemer rag the hell out of it and is a general all weather hack and when I take it to get serviced I always end up skint.
That being said if I don't service the bike it stills keeps going. The thing is a tank. ____________________ Bikes: Previous Bikes: Piaggio x8 125: 2012/2013, YBR 125: 2013/2013 BMW R1150GS 2013/2017, Honda CBR600RR 2017/2017, Honda CB500 2018/2018, Suzuiki Address 110cc 2019/2020, BMW R1200GS 2021-2023
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Tyres are surprisingly expensive for rubber that's barely bigger than mountain bike tyres, and will want doing maybe every 8,000 miles.
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£35 a tyre expensive! C'mon Roger your showing a little too much kilt
I agree with 99% of Rogers post, but changed my oil around 1,500 miles, some times going out to 1,800 miles but finding false neutrals along the way.
I ran around on L plates for 7 years, partly down to cost, mostly lazyness and fear of failure (I tried to pass it when I was 17 and failed).
If I had my time again, if you find bimbling about on L-Plates annoying, but don't want a bigger bike, then pay the £80 or whatever it is and get your theory test done, Mod1 and Mod2 for Cat A1. Because you can turn up on your own bike and not pay for lessons / instructor (whether that is a good idea or not I'll leave to others).
A1 means no more L-Plates and you can ride on a mway.
Thing is. V6 car with what, 280bhp. You may/will find a 125 is just too slow. If you can accept it's slowness, you can have a lot of fun (I did).
But you have to be aware, you will become a target on the road and treated by some drivers as utter scum not worthy of living......actually that's true of any bike CC, but particularly <=125cc |
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125's are terrifying on a motorway... no I never did it, but any dual carriageway with cars flying past used to scare me.
Don't fully understand the oil thing, I just follow the manual. On a 125 there's no real reason to use a 'cheap' oil, on a bigger bike and changing it as often as some on this forum , then it makes sense.
Also 125's are simple machines. Download the manual online or get the Haynes manual (if they do one) for some nice pictures, get yourself a basic socket set, and most jobs are do-able. Parts are so cheap as well for 125's so you'll be paying mostly labour at a garage for no real reason. |
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| GaryJM wrote: | Lplates will cost you 3 penalty points for each one not displayed or incorrect size/lettering if caught. |
I'd see them in court for 2 counts. You're either riding in accordance with your license, or you're not.
CBT, YBR, ride it for a bit, see if you like it, then on to your bike theory and 'A' motorcycle tests ASAP. It's a bit of a slog, but it's worth it in the end.
If you're going to be pikey about it, you might as well just ride a Fireblade and claim that you thought you had a license.  ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Don't fully understand the oil thing, I just follow the manual. On a 125 there's no real reason to use a 'cheap' oil, on a bigger bike and changing it as often as some on this forum  , then it makes sense.
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No, it really doesn't. Speaking as someone with experience of having oil analysed to disprove the myths - the internet tried and trusted of an oil change every half hour where there's a Y in the day is just as pointless as the 'I only use the BEST fully synthetic ester synthetic race-tech oils in my shopping mobile'
The better oils tended to perform no better than the poorer ones in short interval change situations. The better oils performed better over longer periods. A cheaper oil could last say 9,000 miles without significant degradation whereas more expensive oils did 15,000 miles. Great, when you're changing it at 3,000 mile intervals and it's hardly being ragged to an edge of its life during that very low mileage anyway - it bears no fruit, and just costs money for the sake of it.
I ran a big 330d BMW engine on Carlube's finest against all advice - people told me it's too thin and it's not of sufficiently good quality and it'd cost me a turbo here and a set of main bearings there. It really didn't. That car ran happily at 14k interval oil changes with the Carlube stuff at less than £3 a litre (I bought it in bulk, did bare miles innit) from ~135,000 miles to its current figure of nearing 215,000 miles and last I heard it's still on the original turbo.
I'd happily run just about any four stroke 125 on any oil that's of a reasonable specification and cheap. Engine will still outlast the bike in most cases. |
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... I was speaking financially. On a 125 you're only changing a litre, on a big bike if you're changing a few litres obviously you're going to feel the hit more financially. Also it depends on how good you're at taking the old stuff to the tip, I've still got old engine oil/coolant sitting in the back garden from the spring
Anyway I'm more concerned with how a bike feels, if the gears feel that much smoother then it's worth the extra IMO. |
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You don't have to, Castrol Edge Titanium 5W-40 FST is clearly labelled as containing 50% more placebo than competing brands. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 10 years, 225 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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