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MedicalBiker
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Bike has blown over Reply with quote

Sad I'm getting so sick of these 'storms' now. I wish they wouldn't name them as well!

Bike is on the side stand on a driveway that slopes down towards the road away from the house, leaning towards the road as well to try and put as much lean on as possible. In hindsight I should've taken the blasted cover off, it probably lifted it up and over the side stand as it did fall towards the road.

So, it's horribly dark and I can't see what's going on but I know the left indicator has smashed, clutch lever felt like it was able to move and not stuck, both mirrors have been knocked loose. There's a slight smell of what I think is petrol. What other things should I look for in the morning when it's a bit more light?
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

if it's a bike with carbs then it's likely to have dribbled some fuel out of the carb bowls and might take a bit longer to fire up when you try to start it.

I keep mine in a sheltered corner (garden) leaning towards the building
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bad luck, same happened to me last week. I'm currently taking my top box into the office as it really catches the wind!

Mine escaped major damage - indicator lens pinged off, brake lever very slightly bent and the float bowls emptied themselves.
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine went down today

Windscreen shattered, front brake lever bent, headlight totally smashed. Might be more, but I really cant be arsed to look in the dark
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah it's difficult to assess in the dark. It's a CBF125 so not sure if that changes anything.

I've been planning this week to attempt a chain clean/adjustment for the first time etc but guess I'll just be booking it in at a garage now. Just hoping they've got a new indicator in
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm bored of this wind too. Shouting "fuck off you bastard" at the sky doesn't seem to have worked Sad
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

My cover is catching the wind like a sail.

In 210kgs we trust Neutral
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really want to just not ever bother with a cover, but I'm too scared somebody will come and take a fancy to a 125.

I don't mind doing the maintenance to clean it etc if it stays in the rain.

Or why can't they just make nice heavy 125s Sad
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZX-7R wrote:
under_rated wrote:
My cover is catching the wind like a sail.

In 210kgs we trust Neutral


The one time i'm glad my bike weighs about 230kg's lol.


250kg Mr. Green
Passed a feel nervous looking guys on their flashy sport bikes. I didn't bother nodding. Wanna catch one at the lights and see if they will race me off the lights.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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250kg Mr. Green
Passed a feel nervous looking guys on their flashy sport bikes. I didn't nod.


I wish there were slightly cheaper/less powerful adventure bikes. Would love one of those over a sports bike for my first bike after I do my A test
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MedicalBiker wrote:
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250kg Mr. Green
Passed a feel nervous looking guys on their flashy sport bikes. I didn't nod.


I wish there were slightly cheaper/less powerful adventure bikes. Would love one of those over a sports bike for my first bike after I do my A test


The Beemer adventure bikes aren't that powerful they just have a bucket load of low end power to get you over the hills and pull like a train. I liken them to a van pulling a massive trailer. A sporty car has tons more power but it would struggle to pull what a transit could pull.
As for price £3500 will get you a decent one. Any cheaper your best off looking at the mighty Honda 1000 Varadero these are just as reliable and cheaper parts wise. One on ebay now for £1500.


My first bike after my YBR 125 was a R1150GS. I never had any issues.
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing to beware of if a bike has been on its side for a while is hydraulic locking.

Some bikes are more prone to it than others but any of them can do it.

Essentially oil or liquid fuel gets into the barrel above the piston by one of a variety of possible routes.

Liquids are (for this purpose) incompressable so if you try to turn over the engine with an engine barrel full of liquid, one of two things will happen:

1) It won't turn over.

2) It does turn over and the conrod bends.

Case 2 is bad news.

Best thing to do is whip the plugs out and turn the engine over on the starter. If a whole load of oil/fuel comes out, you just saved your bike.

If that is a real pain in the arse to do, remove the end plug from the crankcase cover and turn the engine over by hand with a socket with the ignition off. Once it's done two full turns without any strong resistance, you're safe enough to go ahead and start it.

If even that is too much like hard work, put it in top gear and bump it over backwards with the ignition off. Again, two turns of the engine and you're good to go.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
One thing to beware of if a bike has been on its side for a while is hydraulic locking.

Some bikes are more prone to it than others but any of them can do it.

Essentially oil or liquid fuel gets into the barrel above the piston by one of a variety of possible routes.

Liquids are (for this purpose) incompressable so if you try to turn over the engine with an engine barrel full of liquid, one of two things will happen:

1) It won't turn over.

2) It does turn over and the conrod bends.

Case 2 is bad news.

Best thing to do is whip the plugs out and turn the engine over on the starter. If a whole load of oil/fuel comes out, you just saved your bike.

If that is a real pain in the arse to do, remove the end plug from the crankcase cover and turn the engine over by hand with a socket with the ignition off. Once it's done two full turns without any strong resistance, you're safe enough to go ahead and start it.

If even that is too much like hard work, put it in top gear and bump it over backwards with the ignition off. Again, two turns of the engine and you're good to go.

You forgot option 3) valve shatters and small fragments get embedded into the cylinder bore & piston.
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has it been that bad?

I've not been on the bike since Friday, back in work tomorrow, might park in the compound instead of the car park from the sounds of the posts above
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PostPosted: 00:51 - 09 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure really what I would be looking for, 600 to be fair would probably be enough for me when it comes round to it.

The bike was on its side for about 2 minutes as I threw on my shoes and ran out to get it back upright as soon as I heard the crash, don't know if that constitutes long or not.

I'm not in London tomorrow Sad so probably won't be able to try and get anything sorted until Wednesday at the earliest, I'm also not very handy with them yet being a new biker so a lot of what you suggested has literally gone straight over my head Neutral

The gusts here have been really bad, there's bits and pieces all over the roads and trees at precarious angles, nothing seems to have come down yet (bar my bike of course)
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PostPosted: 01:01 - 09 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Next time, point the front of the bike towards where the wind is coming from. Done this with my Street Triple and it definitely saved it a couple of times. Being side on to the wind is the worst it can be.
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 09 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If its windy park against the house o wedge wood under the opposite side to the stands peg. Tie the other side down with a few tent pegs and a bit of rope.
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 09 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: Bike has blown over Reply with quote

MedicalBiker wrote:


Bike is on the side stand on a driveway that slopes down towards the road away from the house, leaning towards the road as well to try and put as much lean on as possible. In hindsight I should've taken the blasted cover off, it probably lifted it up and over the side stand as it did fall towards the road.


The worst thing you could have done actually. Bikes will blow over either way but easier over the side stand if you increase the lean. Adding the cover increased the sail and leaning away from the house meant that any wind blowing against the house swirls around at the foot of the front wall and pushes directly on the bike. All of the things you did assisted the wind force.

Next time, turn the bike around and lean it into the building and leave the cover off. Prop it if necessary
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 09 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a guy filters down the A2 wearing one of those POLITE vests and he's obviously never read it himself because the motherfucker absolutely refuses to move over and let faster bikes pass.
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 09 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
There's a guy filters down the A2 wearing one of those POLITE vests and he's obviously never read it himself because the motherfucker absolutely refuses to move over and let faster bikes pass.


Wrong thread? Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 09 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tamsin wrote:
Pete. wrote:
There's a guy filters down the A2 wearing one of those POLITE vests and he's obviously never read it himself because the motherfucker absolutely refuses to move over and let faster bikes pass.


Wrong thread? Laughing


WTF?

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PostPosted: 00:51 - 10 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: Bike has blown over Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
MedicalBiker wrote:


Bike is on the side stand on a driveway that slopes down towards the road away from the house, leaning towards the road as well to try and put as much lean on as possible. In hindsight I should've taken the blasted cover off, it probably lifted it up and over the side stand as it did fall towards the road.


The worst thing you could have done actually. Bikes will blow over either way but easier over the side stand if you increase the lean. Adding the cover increased the sail and leaning away from the house meant that any wind blowing against the house swirls around at the foot of the front wall and pushes directly on the bike. All of the things you did assisted the wind force.

Next time, turn the bike around and lean it into the building and leave the cover off. Prop it if necessary


Oh really? I'll have to try that tomorrow then, flipping it around. I couldn't really have it facing the wind as it was just swirling around the driveway.

Looked quickly this morning before I set off for Kent and there appears to be no damage or scratches to anything else other than the side of the top box and the bar end. Even the clutch lever seems to have avoided the trouble.

Going to run it tomorrow and see how it starts, then possibly look at taking it to a nearby garage and get the indicators changed/replaced. (I would try and do it myself but I need to go to B&Q/Halfords and get some tool kits first. Need to attempt my first chain maintenance)
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