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PostPosted: 21:26 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: CBR600 F2 or ER6 Reply with quote

Have currently got a K REG CBR600 F2 with 44K miles and have been looking at some ER6 (2008/2009)

People keep saying the ER6 are slow etc, but I was wondering what your opinions were ?

I really like my bike but have always like the "ninjas" !

Would it be a good or bad idea to swap old for new ?

I'm not overly bothered by power as long as it's not a dramatic drop, as I'm sure my older engine may have possibly lost some horse ponies anyways

Benefits of injection vs Carbs?

Am I just being silly ?

Thanks for your time
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelie CBR6 is a much better bike.
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really loved my steelie, but I'd probably swap.

The Kawasaki (not a ninja unless you're a yank?) has a newer design and components, will in all likelihood be much less warn out, will have easier part supply, and will probably more economical.

In terms of outright speed there really won't be that much in it, the cbr feels faster than it actually is.
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT200Fan79 wrote:
Steelie CBR6 is a much better bike.


Awesome bikes. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I really loved my steelie, but I'd probably swap.

The Kawasaki (not a ninja unless you're a yank?) has a newer design and components, will in all likelihood be much less warn out, will have easier part supply, and will probably more economical.

In terms of outright speed there really won't be that much in it, the cbr feels faster than it actually is.


A steelie cbr is a good 30mph quicker than the kwack surely? 150 ish for the cbr, 120 for the er i would of thought.
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I just say - top speed is irrelevant to me as I have never been above 80 anyways

Keep the comments coming

Is a CBR600 going to be more reliable than a relatively new Kawasaki?
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT200Fan79 wrote:
150 ish for the cbr


The clocks showed 160-ish on my cbr600f 1995 on the East Lancs road.
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ER6 isn't a ninja, ZX or go home.
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PostPosted: 23:07 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ER6 has come in for lots of the worst piece of shit bike ever in the world on BCF lately. Its 70bhp and the faired version will do more like 130mph not 120, which is what a CB500 can do. Hell you could even wring out the old ER5 to about 115mph, yet I'd hate to think of BCF's opinion on that bike given the above.

Oh and the ER6 is basically 1/2 a detuned ZX12R's engine that's been bored out, and though the 12R is a strange compromise of a bike, you don't hear anyone moaning about the engine performance, except for Busa fanatics that is.

CBR's are great bikes no doubt, but if I wanted a daily commuter that's reliable for work, I'd take a 16yr newer ER6 every time tbh!


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PostPosted: 23:10 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

whitedevil wrote:
ER6 isn't a ninja, ZX or go home.


What if OP don't want a sports bike though? Is the ZX or go home an ego thing by small prick owners or have you stopped short in your confusion and forgot the words GSXR1000 or Street Triple maybe?
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

mathewculver wrote:
Can I just say - top speed is irrelevant to me as I have never been above 80 anyways

Then there's not much point in having a revvy IL4 geared for 150mph. A 650 twin will probably suit your riding style better.
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do like a nice looking bike and have just seen the difference between the ER6 and the ZX6 and can see the differences

One thing I'm finding is that when I'm riding two up, my partner constantly slips forwards and backwards on the sports bike and I'm constantly in the wind unless I get low, although this isn't an issue really

Just thought I'd grab some information from you guys as have been seeing a few Er6F going very cheap recently including one at a local garage who had picked one up cheap part ex then done service bits on it and it was sold for £1400! So that's why I thought about it really
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
mathewculver wrote:
Can I just say - top speed is irrelevant to me as I have never been above 80 anyways

Then there's not much point in having a revvy IL4 geared for 150mph. A 650 twin will probably suit your riding style better.


Thanks for this comment, I don't know much about the different engine designs, I do like to accelerate to the speed limit nice and hard sometimes when I get the chance, but very rarely use more than 50% throttle and usually ride around town and 50mph roads
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:

What if OP don't want a sports bike though? Is the ZX or go home an ego thing by small prick owners or have you stopped short in your confusion and forgot the words GSXR1000 or Street Triple maybe?


Stop being so salty.

While BCF might have a hardon for the stripple and there is the odd bit of love for a certain year of GSXR1000 (dunno which), it's a bit harsh to accuse the massive of only liking these bikes. But yeah historically we've always had a hate boner for middleweight twins, cause they are dull as hell.
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

mathewculver wrote:


Thanks for this comment, I don't know much about the different engine designs, I do like to accelerate to the speed limit nice and hard sometimes when I get the chance, but very rarely use more than 50% throttle and usually ride around town and 50mph roads


I would draw up a shortlist, go to a bunch of local dealers, have a few test rides (don't worry about ticket price - you're just getting ideas) and compare them to your CBR. The ride down and back on yours will be a good reference for comparison.

You seem to be suggesting round town/commuting, sometimes two up, but like to give it the beans from time to time. Also you seem to want a faired bike, and looking for a bargain.

Hmm, first bike that sprung to mind for me was the Suzuki GSX650f. I've seen some corkers out there for not a lot of money as they seem to get forgotten and aren't as loved as some others.

I think you'd find it fast enough, but has a good sized pillion seat and good ergos for around town riding. (Check out https://cycle-ergo.com )

Just my tuppeneth tho. TBH there's loads of bikes that fit your requirements, so try as many of them as you can!
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PostPosted: 00:27 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bridgehouse wrote:
mathewculver wrote:


Thanks for this comment, I don't know much about the different engine designs, I do like to accelerate to the speed limit nice and hard sometimes when I get the chance, but very rarely use more than 50% throttle and usually ride around town and 50mph roads


I would draw up a shortlist, go to a bunch of local dealers, have a few test rides (don't worry about ticket price - you're just getting ideas) and compare them to your CBR. The ride down and back on yours will be a good reference for comparison.

You seem to be suggesting round town/commuting, sometimes two up, but like to give it the beans from time to time. Also you seem to want a faired bike, and looking for a bargain.

Hmm, first bike that sprung to mind for me was the Suzuki GSX650f. I've seen some corkers out there for not a lot of money as they seem to get forgotten and aren't as loved as some others.

I think you'd find it fast enough, but has a good sized pillion seat and good ergos for around town riding. (Check out https://cycle-ergo.com )

Just my tuppeneth tho. TBH there's loads of bikes that fit your requirements, so try as many of them as you can!


Your post made an incredible amount of sense and you seemed to grasp what I was after pretty quickly ! I'll take a look at your suggestions, thank you!
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PostPosted: 00:46 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

mathewculver wrote:

People keep saying the ER6 are slow etc, but I was wondering what your opinions were ?

I'm not overly bothered by power as long as it's not a dramatic drop, as I'm sure my older engine may have possibly lost some horse ponies anyways


mathewculver wrote:
Can I just say - top speed is irrelevant to me as I have never been above 80 anyways


mathewculver wrote:

One thing I'm finding is that when I'm riding two up, my partner constantly slips forwards and backwards on the sports bike


If you're riding style consists of not going over 80mph, two-up and keeping a pillion comfy... then moving away from a sports bike is probably a wise idea. An ER6F will be adequate enough based on what you've said to us. Also those who call ER6F's slow, probably like to go a bit quicker than 80. You could always go and get a test ride on one to be sure that it's a bike you'd get on with Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 06:14 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't care about top speed, and you're after a nice bike with decent pillion capability, and your budget is ~£1500, there are plenty of fish in that sea.

I can see why you're looking down the er6 route, but there are probably a dozen possible alternatives that meet the above criteria, not that the er6 is bad, but more options is rarely a bad thing.
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

mathewculver wrote:
I don't know much about the different engine designs, I do like to accelerate to the speed limit nice and hard sometimes when I get the chance, but very rarely use more than 50% throttle and usually ride around town and 50mph roads

Then I'd definitely encourage you to try the ER.

It makes more torque (and thus oomph) than the 600 IL4s up to about 10,000 rpm. InB4 G and "gearing", but unless you enjoy riding the CBR in low gear with the engine spinning fast, you'll get more instant roll-on acceleration from the twin.

I enjoyed trying a CBR600F4, it had a lovely smooth engine that wanted to rev and rev. But it did need kicked down and spanked to make progress, only becoming really fun at the point where I ran out of nerve.

When I got back on my 800 twin it was such a relief to have access to all that low down torque again.

Try a few different bikes to see what you like, it's fun: I've still got triples to scope out.
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ER6f and the ZXR6 are similar in that they both have two wheels and come in green.

The ZX6R is a track bike (there's a lap timer on it) with lights and indicators.

https://i.imgur.com/AnyW33d.png


The ER6f is a general purpose road bike in a nice looking frock.

https://i.imgur.com/AXbQEp4.png


For general purpose road use, I'd go for the bike that was designed for that purpose.
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've both of these bikes, the ER6f first, now I have a CBR.

I would have thought 0-80 times to be about the same, the CBR just keeps going a bit more. As said, the er6f will do about 130 indicated and the cbr will do about 150.

Just on a personal note, I found the er6f easier to work on and wheel around and once it had a decent pipe and remap it sounded really really nice. however... I prefer the CBR. It feels comfier, more planted, feels faster and has a centre stand. With the CBR I feel nice and low within the bike whereas I felt perched on top of the er6f. Also, I could never see out of the mirrors.

Ah, something else to consider. There doesn't seem to be a huge choice of tyres for the CBR, I'm not sure if I've got weird sized wheels or current tyres on it.

As others have said, get out and have a ride on some.
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

matthew, man up and come for a ride with me at some point, youll have to keep up with me and youll use more rev range on the cbr youll get a better idea of what you want from a bike.

youd be better with the cbr the er6 will be uninspiring, or go get a nc700
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bring jumper cables.
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