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andyd87
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 19 Feb 2016    Post subject: another idiot in a car Reply with quote

Don't know if anybody has already seen this. car driver pulls into outside lane for no reason causes an accident which resulted in a girls death and she get a slap on the wrist and a 12 month ban.

https://www.nottinghampost.com/Motorists-caused-death-Abbie-Chambers-walked-free/story-28769521-detail/story.html
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PostPosted: 09:00 - 20 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

No never seen it.
The story does mention that she died when the bike she was a passenger on swerved and was hit by another biker following too closely and going too fast though.
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 20 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

A year of no driving, 4 weeks unpaid litter picking and 4 months custody (suspended) is likely to be career ending or at least limiting.

Before we string up the driver, let's be clear that there were two bikes involved, and that the collision was between them, not with the car. The other biker was held equally culpable. Whether they were really riding "erratically" is neither here nor there: they were demonstrably riding too close to react.

This is why I don't particularly like riding with other bikes. It's far too easy to get caught up in playing chase, or in paying too much attention to what the other chap is doing rather than to your own riding.
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 20 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been following this one and it appears that the female cager was a bit hard done by, she started to change lanes and caused the bike to brake, the bike was then hit from behind by another bike travelling at much higher speed than the front bike causing the girl's death.

It doesn't really detail what the female cager did once she realised there was a bike alongside her, although there was a suggestion that she just moved back into the left and was therefore not involved in the collision at all.

There was also a third bike involved but for some reason despite being in someway linked to the other bikes they avoided prosecution.
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 20 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

matto wrote:
I've been following this one and it appears that the female cager was a bit hard done by, she started to change lanes and caused the bike to brake


Judge Dredd almost wrote:
The judge told Fogg her culpability was this: "You changed lanes without need to do so. I don't accept, on the evidence I have heard, that you indicated your intention to do so or indeed checked your mirrors sufficiently well before you pulled out.

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PostPosted: 23:12 - 20 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
there were two bikes involved, and that the collision was between them, not with the car. The other biker was held equally culpable.
matto wrote:
it appears that the female cager was a bit hard done by, she started to change lanes and caused the bike to brake.

Seems to be ''another idiot on a bike'' as much as ''another idiot in a car''.

She pulled into the lane without checking properly and the rider behind didn't leave enough space between them.

Both as bad as each other.
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PostPosted: 01:26 - 21 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've missed a car in a blind spot when changing lanes on a motorway so I don't doubt it's easy to miss a bike.

When I'm on my bike on a dual carriage way I always make sure I have a escape route from my position whether it be accelerating or braking. On anything 600 and over you have the necessary performance to do it.

The case in point to me is the second riders fault more than the car drivers but then I don't know the full facts.
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PostPosted: 02:57 - 21 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Prosecutor Sarah Knight told Nottingham Crown Court: "It was the chain of events of Timothy Sandars' and Emma Fogg's careless driving that led to Miss Chambers' death."

She said Fogg had pulled out in front of Kyle Trelfall's motorbike, on which Abbie was passenger, without checking whether it was safe to do so and without indicating. Sandars was riding too close behind Mr Trelfall and too fast, said Miss Knight.

She added: "Kyle Trelfall was travelling in the outside lane, adjacent to a lorry. Suddenly Emma Fogg, who was driving her red Peugeot 206, pulled in front of Kyle Trelfall without indicating.

"He applied his brakes and tried to swerve around the car. Emma Fogg seemed to realise her mistake and tried to correct what she had done and pulled in to the nearside lane. But [Trelfall's] bike was hit by Timothy Sandars's bike, knocking them both on to the road."


There must have been a very short amount of time between her starting to move and then to move back again if she wasn't actually involved in the collision.

I'm not saying she's blameless, by the way, but she didn't actually kill the girl with her driving.
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 21 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

matto wrote:
but she didn't actually kill the girl with her driving.


If you really mean "She didn't hit the bike" then you are correct.

If you really mean "she didn't actually kill the girl with her driving" well, actually she did.

If she hadn't started to change lane for no reason the events would have been different. She would not have been involved in any accident that may, or may not, have occurred and you would have been correct in saying "she didn't actually kill the girl with her driving".
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 21 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

True but the incident with the car was a close call, the bike had time to avoid an accident. It would have probably only resulting in a bit of name calling and finger waving if the other bike hadn't of taken them out.

Both at fault which is why they've both been sentenced, the bike in front could have slammed on its brakes for any number of reasons and it would have still resulted in the same outcome of being hit by the other bike. Just as easily the car could have actually hit the bike when changing lanes and been solely at fault.
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