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Sun Wukong
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 20 Feb 2016    Post subject: Jekyll and Hyde personalities Reply with quote

I'll try to keep this to the point.

Do any of you have good friends, partners or family members that have radically different personalities depending on external triggers?

During this job, I have seen the change of personality people can go through when dehydrated or tired, but that is just general grumpiness.

But what about people who seem like a completely different person when they get hot, or hungry. When their sugar dips, or what not?

I'm curious how people wrap their head around that good mate who gets two beers in him and starts throwing out nasty comments. That girlfriend who doesn't eat or sleep enough and starts sulking and being incredibly negative about everything.

There seems to be a few things out there that can seriously affect somebody, and render them unpleasant to be around, but which is not really them.

We can't expect people to be perfect all the time. We shouldn't allow others to make us feel bad about ourselves. We must be understanding of those with mental health issues, and make allowances.

Does anyone have any thoughts or experience on this?
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 20 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alcohol turns me into a different person altogether, I say spiteful shit I dont mean & generally act a bellend. So when I see the same behaviour in other people for whatever reason I tend to be a little more understanding & try not to get involved, instead of calling them out on their odd behaviour.
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 20 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Alcohol turns me into a different person altogether, I say spiteful shit I dont mean & generally act a bellend. So when I see the same behaviour in other people for whatever reason I tend to be a little more understanding & try not to get involved, instead of calling them out on their odd behaviour.


But you do mean it, alcohol makes you do, and say the things you wish you could do/say sober.
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 20 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

lihp wrote:
But you do mean it, alcohol makes you do, and say the things you wish you could do/say sober.


Thats the running argument, and to an extent i'd agree. Its not a cast-iron rule that applies to everyone and every circumstance though. Mind-altering substances are exactly that, it's not a glimpse into your soul.
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 20 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

lihp wrote:


But you do mean it, alcohol makes you do, and say the things you wish you could do/say sober.


Are you saying I really fancy those awful bitches that I try to shag when I'm pissed?
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 20 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not buying the argument that they can't help it.

It's a form of manipulation and narcissism.

They are forcing others to adapt their reactive behaviour in order to mollify their brattish antics.

It's about using their behaviour to make the world revolve around them.

A good slap (verbal or otherwise) is the best reaction.

I have a sister like this. She thinks a "sorry, I was in a bad place/drunk/tired/depressed" routine puts it all right. It doesn't, there's a legacy left by cruel words and behaviour that sorry just won't erase.

TL:DR A short sharp slap, 'jamas and bed

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PostPosted: 14:19 - 20 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Things I've noticed are that generally loud/extrovert unashamed people (I'm so the opposite) tend to take the piss more sometimes in an uncalled for way, or when around bigger groups of people. It's about making themselves the centre of everything and the loudest voice etc.

These types don't bother me at all. Im not so keen on when someone is getting verbal abuse or being really embarrassed by people, that if you try to offer support or help they turn on you, or even try to deflect the grief they are getting by trying to do the same to you. It's a poor trait, but something we all kind of do a bit too I guess.

The only people I've known with the really hair trigger personality tend to be drug takers or alcoholics though. Some of them you cant hold a decent conversation in a pub with, or be around them with other people there they don't know or like, as your always wondering if and when they are going to give someone the stares or call them out.

These types when they get too pissed are worth knocking out yourself, before it ruins a good night out or causes a pub brawl. Otherwise it's best to fuck off and not bother going with them anywhere or having anything to do with them.
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 20 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tracey Suntan-King wrote:
I'm not buying the argument that they can't help it.

It's a form of manipulation and narcissism.

They are forcing others to adapt their reactive behaviour in order to mollify their brattish antics.

It's about using their behaviour to make the world revolve around them.

A good slap (verbal or otherwise) is the best reaction.


I take it you've not been around a diabetic with Hypoglycemia - they're prone to irritability, argumentative and aggressive (verbal and physical) outbursts - These are used as signals for others to identify low blood sugar. There is a real physical effect on the brain with low glucose levels, not some made up namby pamby excuse for being shouty.
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 20 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
Tracey Suntan-King wrote:
I'm not buying the argument that they can't help it.

It's a form of manipulation and narcissism.

They are forcing others to adapt their reactive behaviour in order to mollify their brattish antics.

It's about using their behaviour to make the world revolve around them.

A good slap (verbal or otherwise) is the best reaction.


I take it you've not been around a diabetic with Hypoglycemia - they're prone to irritability, argumentative and aggressive (verbal and physical) outbursts - These are used as signals for others to identify low blood sugar. There is a real physical effect on the brain with low glucose levels, not some made up namby pamby excuse for being shouty.



I know about this, it's me - been T1 for 25 years now and when blood sugar is low, you really do flip to a different person completely. 15 minutes later after some sugar ... right as rain.

Oddly it's not the low that causes it, it's the speed of the drop, much the same as when you have really high blood sugar.

Other times, i'm just a moody arse Smile
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 20 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

See, back when I was a depressive having my tantrums I could have controlled them if I knew how, was aware of what they were, and had the inclination. I like the test of whether they would talk to their boss like that, and if so it's probably serious. If they can restrain it with the boss, then you are just the verbal whipping post.

However, I've also seen the hypo's before, and even started measuring my blood sugar as I was getting such weird low energy periods and considered it could be that (depression seems more likely).

UncleBFester wrote:

I know about this, it's me - been T1 for 25 years now and when blood sugar is low, you really do flip to a different person completely. 15 minutes later after some sugar ... right as rain.

Oddly it's not the low that causes it, it's the speed of the drop, much the same as when you have really high blood sugar.


Yeh, I've seen this in action. Sometimes it is hard not to be patronising, almost the equivalent of "she's on the blob"... "oh ignore him, he's just having one of his turns."

Which is even worse, actually.

I would rather people take every word I say seriously than minimise what I am saying by simply writing it all off as sick raving... Thinking
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 22 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: Jekyll and Hyde personalities Reply with quote

Sun Wukong wrote:


I'm curious how people wrap their head around that good mate who gets two beers in him and starts throwing out nasty comments.

That girlfriend who doesn't eat or sleep enough and starts sulking and being incredibly negative about everything.

Does anyone have any thoughts or experience on this?



Firstly if my mate gets "arsey" after a couple of beers and starts on me, I will leave and have words with him when he`s sober.
If he becomes aggressive and threatening to me, then he`s not my mate and could end up with a smack.

If the girlfriend starts all that negative sulky nonsense, tell her to "fukc off", do you really need all that moody/sulky shit?
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 22 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
Tracey Suntan-King wrote:
I'm not buying the argument that they can't help it.

It's a form of manipulation and narcissism.

They are forcing others to adapt their reactive behaviour in order to mollify their brattish antics.

It's about using their behaviour to make the world revolve around them.

A good slap (verbal or otherwise) is the best reaction.


I take it you've not been around a diabetic with Hypoglycemia


Or people with mental health problems.
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 23 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to go with the belief that people who regularly use those sort of things as an excuse to justify any form of aberrant behaviour will use it as often as they can get away with it.

People who just get on with their lives and accept that their metabolism has a glitch tend to be more reliable.

I've done it myself: last year I used the "poor me, I'm soooooo mentally unstable and needy" to behave very badly when I could have coped perfectly well with a little bit more effort. Hated myself every time I did it. Soon stopped cos I don't like hating myself for being weak and making excuses instead of shouldering responsibility for myself.
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
I tend to go with the belief that people who regularly use those sort of things as an excuse to justify any form of aberrant behaviour will use it as often as they can get away with it.
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This ^ +1
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

As well as autism, my eldest has schizo-affective disorder.

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PostPosted: 10:56 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure about some of these 'illnesses' they have come up with in the last few years that seem to justify peoples actions.

Were people in the past regarded as just cunts, or does it happen now because 'I'm ill, I've got <Insert latest fashion illness here>
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PostPosted: 11:27 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
I'm not sure about some of these 'illnesses' they have come up with in the last few years that seem to justify peoples actions.

Were people in the past regarded as just cunts, or does it happen now because 'I'm ill, I've got <Insert latest fashion illness here>


It's just a case of the better understanding we have of the brain nowadays, and how it functions, and the deviations from the "norm" that we can describe more accurately in physiological terms I think. We tend to label any of those deviations as an illness, but who has perfection when talking about chemical imbalances etc? Anyway, it's not "justification", it's just description.
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

My sister has had autism since birth, after being starved of oxygen when the umbilical cord got wrapped around her throat. I sympathise recman
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems the debate has moved on. The OP mentioned hunger, booze etc affecting behaviour, my first reply addressed this. However clinical mental health disorders are different. For people with mental illness it is, obviously, not a simple matter of self-control.

A wider issue mentioned above is the in some opinion, over-diagnosis of mental disorder.

I came across "oppositional defiance disorder" a while back. Well in my day that was known as being a gobby, awkward little shite and the prescribed treatment was a slap Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just been prescribed some mad antibiotics which turned me into a schizophrenic bastard. Does that count?

I stopped taking them after 24 hours. Nightmares, no sleep, miserable.

I suppose alarm bells should've been ringing when the doctor asked 'are you well?' beforehand.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tracey Suntan-King wrote:
It seems the debate has moved on. The OP mentioned hunger, booze etc affecting behaviour, my first reply addressed this. However clinical mental health disorders are different.


So we're supposed to stay on topic now? Jeez, some people are no fun Mad
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
I'm not sure about some of these 'illnesses' they have come up with in the last few years that seem to justify peoples actions.

Were people in the past regarded as just cunts, or does it happen now because 'I'm ill, I've got <Insert latest fashion illness here>


I agree to a certain extent, things like ADHD seem over-used to me.
Too easy to categorise horrible little unruly bastards.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many daily medicated people are there in the uk?
I've had similar experiences to Garth when taking prescribed medication for an illness and it's horrible.

There must be 1000's of uk residents taking pills to get up, pills to calm down, pills for an errection, pills to get to sleep etc every single day.

It's my belief that medication is responsible for more fucked up minds than supposed mental health conditions ever were!

There's even apparently Physco's, serial killer's, peadophiles etc all walking the street every day that are only able to do so with any normal behaviour by being pumped full of cocktails of drugs on a daily basis. Shocked
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't want to go off on a complete tangent but all the shit in food these days is no doubt contributing to peoples erratic behaviour to some extent. Some foods can make you act very strangely
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver_Fox wrote:
I don't want to go off on a complete tangent but all the shit in food these days is no doubt contributing to peoples erratic behaviour to some extent. Some foods can make you act very strangely


I know, I go proper giggly after a Tiramisu Embarassed
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