ghetto style security system ADVICE

[stirlinggaz]

hi all,
im sure i have asked for this sort of advice before...but hey ho, i have forgotten any advice given, so i will start again.

i have a garage/shed, which has no electricity & is quite far from the house so i cant get power to it.
its been broken into a few times & nobody ever hears or sees anything due to its isolated location.
i have lost all sorts of irreplaceable old bike parts & other stuff (i should be on that reality show Hoarders)

so, im needing a security camera.

heres what im thinking : buy some sort of cheap camera off ebay & mount it on a metal pole above garage roof so it has a good view of anyone coming into the area of garage.
the power cable can go down inside the pole, so its harder to cut/waterproof.
cable will go inside garage & hook up to a car battery, which i can take round to the house every week or so to charge up.....
...............i dont know what sort of current 1 of these cameras will draw

also, as its too far from the house, i wont be able to use wifi....BUT what about 1 of those cameras that you can view on an android phone/tablet?
how easy would it be set up thise sort of thing? (please take into consideration i grew up in an era when computers were pretty much non existent & were only used by chess club members )
obviously it has to be as cheap as possible, have capability of viewing/recording on my tablet, preferably motion detected...... i could also rig up a battery operated motion detected light (seen these advertised for peanuts) & would obviously need to be 12v, as using car battery.
so, techies, advice please?

cheers,
GAZ

[Ben90]

A camera that you can view on a phone/tablet will use its own wifi or bluetooth to transmit the footage, which would limit the range to about 10 metres; even less if walls are involved.

Besides, there's not much good waking up the next morning to an empty shed and a grainy video of a hooded scrote with his arms full.

Simple security with minimal faff I think you'd be better off with one of these

Then lie about 30 rakes on the floor surrounding the shed.
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[Im-a-Ridah]

There aren't really any ways to get a camera powered a long way from your house and work at night and be cheap, let alone those other specs. Realistically the data needs to go back to your house and be stored or thieves will just steal the storage. This means you'll either need a wifi extender and a buried wire carrying 12v to the garage. You might be better off just making the garage more secure. The CCTV won't be much use anyway, it will just let you watch your stuff get robbed the night before by a blurry figure in the dark.

[Pjay]

Yeah, pretty much what the others said.
All of your issues are ones that cost money to rectify.

I'd put a dummy camera up that is visible from the street and let that do its job. Casual thieves look for easy targets and thieves that target you are going to get around any camera security you have anyhow.

[Im-a-Ridah]

For the benefit of others, there are bits of this problem that can be solved cheaply. ispy is free and has loads of feature for motion detection and environment rejection (e.g sunrise), snapshots, video segments etc. It's pretty impressive stuff! Just need a computer to run on, and if you use motion detection it can be quite easy on space usage.

https://www.ispyconnect.com/

Webcams can be ok if there is some lighting.

Main problems are USB doesn't work so well with HD video on it over say 5 meters+ if there's power cables etc nearby. I had endless problems with disconnecting devices. Wireless cameras are available but are mostly 640x480 potato format, rather than 720p or 1080p. Ethernet cable is great for distance, but then you need to get the video on to ethernet. If you are technically capable then this can be solved fairly cheaply with a small embedded computer, if you aren't then it's going to get expensive.

No idea what distance you'd get but something like this might work
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/720P-1-0MP-HD-Power-Over-Ethernet-Outdoor-IP-CCTV-Security-Network-Camera-H-264-/400837459939?hash=item5d53c63fe3:g:0hgAAOSwc3ZUqkRC

You'll also need a power injector like this
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Power-Over-Ethernet-PoE-Splitter-Adapter-Injector-12V-DC-for-CCTV-Cameras-/271746206023?hash=item3f45560947:g:bhkAAOSwDNdVkd8p

and decent ethernet cables (Cat 5E minimum) and ideally weatherproof ducting too.

This is only a rough guide. I've not used the ethernet stuff. I've no idea how far it will work or what else you need. Look on the net and do more research before you get anything.

[Aky208]

You could try one these. Doesn't require power as its solar. I have one outside my garage and is really bright for a solar powered light. Will try and take some pics if you want.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B016ICR02E/ref=sr_ph?ie=UTF8&qid=1456945360&sr=1&keywords=Solar+light

[Joncrete Cungle]

Plant firethorn round the shed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyracantha

Rig one of these up to the door.

https://www.henrykrank.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2964

[AngelGrinder]

As linked to above, 12gauge blank trip wire mine will do the job very nicely.


There's also plenty of blank firing grenades, used in paintball/airsoft, you can arm one of those, place it on a door frame or something, as soon as it hits the floor (it's impact detonated) you'll definitely know about it.

I have one that cost about £60, and takes shotgun primers - no as loud as blanks, but can get 100 of them for about £7.
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[dydey90]

Exactly how far away is this garage? Paint diagram required.

As above, big shiny fake cctv cameras may work. I'd also consider things like an external alarm box, as a theif may look for this and maybe a big "BEWARE OF THE DOG" style of sign.

Also, it'd be pretty easy to rig up a quids worth of rape alarm to any doors so the pin gets pulled if anybody goes in. They're pretty loud and since most people know what they are and what they sound like, they tend to attract a lot of attention.
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[Im-a-Ridah]

[Fin]

You would need an inverter for the battery and all the ones I've seen have fans on them that waste electricity, recharging the battery every week or so seems like a bit of unnecessary work when there are better options.

An ethernet cable underground would be better than wifi as they are very cheap and will save power, better range and speed. You then need something to save the footage too unless it is uploaded to a server, they will most likely charge you to upload and manage the video which will show you what other have said (a dude in a hoodie)

[stirlinggaz]

hi,
thanks for all the replies.
ok....more details :
******advance warning of wall of text reqd*****

I live on a main road, in the middle of a row of terraced houses.
so the garage is actually in an other street. (sorry, cant do do a paint diagram...maybe I could show it on google maps or something.. ).
but, its actually, technically, not that far away, as the crow flies, but to get to it, I need to walk out front door, walk past the last couple of houses on the row, turn round the corner into a culd-de-sac then pass another dozen or so houses & access the pitch via a wee path between the houses.
the garage itself is isolated.
the plot of land has a large wire fence at the rear, the railway line at 1 side & wooden garden fences at the other side.
so its in a "dead end" with only 1 way in, same way out.
theres about 4 or 5 garages on the same plot of land, but mine is the furthest away.
it backs into a fence of someone else's back garden.
but standing a the rear of the garage, I can see my house, as straight across the half a dozen back gardens, about 700m away is my back door.

does that make any sense?

anyway, its a old wooden garage. I have deliberately left the weeds, nettles & thistles overgrow, so it looks like its not used often & its just another anonymous garage.
but some opportunist smashed the hasp off & stole a load of bike parts (engines, brakes, exhausts etc) which to the untrained eye, looked like junk...but it was brembo calipers, couple of vfr engines, 125-250cc 2 stroke engines, full front ends, s/s exhausts etc....
all in v.good useable & saleable condition & all stuff that would cost a fortune to replace (IF i could find replacements)
its been broken into a couple of times & the 1st time looked like nothing was taken & I fitted a nice new,shiny hasp & padlock (probably a bad idea as it then stood out & looked like I had something valuable to protect)
I reckon the same ppl came back, just smashed the hasp, bypassing the padlock & security bolts & made off with the goods.

anyway : trip wires & booby traps aside, there must be something I can do?
I suppose I could insure it, but thats not the point.
I like the fact I have/had access to my own spares place.
if I needed a set of forks or carbs or whatever, I could walk round & rummage through ma stuff & always find something useable (I have been hoarding stuff for over 30yrs).

I didnt realise a camera needed to be within wi-fi range... (technology isnt my strong point) I presumed it could beam back images via the internet, to my lap top or tablet
& record when activated via motion sensors/pir's alongside those lights that come on when someone approaches & be powered by a 12v car battery.

it would have helped the polis trace them as they would have needed a vehicle, & maybe 2 people to break in & carry stuff out.
it would have good to see a face or 2 & maybe a number plate (its a small town, im well known & I can find most local junkie thieves myself )
ok....time to re-think things....

cheers,
GAZ

[bladerunner]

WiFi range is kinda dependent on what your using. Your home router will pump out 25mw but you can buy 600mw video transmitters that work on 12v for about £40-£50 which with a directional antenna (about 10cm long) will get you video links over 4 miles. Main problem is 5.8ghz offers bugger all ability to penetrate buildings. Good so you don't interfere with peoples home WiFi but you'd need pretty much line of sight with a receiver antenna outside your house or at least inside a window. These only really offer 480p level quality as well so yes you can buy a DVR for £20 that's motion detect and record at home its not great footage.
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[Im-a-Ridah]

[Fin]

Maybe get a doggie?

I take it you mean 70m? or your judgement is a bit off?

[stirlinggaz]

hi all,
been thinking about this again...
right, the garage is pretty much in a straight line, about 150 feet (apologies for earlier error in distance) from the bottom of my garden, across some neighbours' gardens.

at the bottom of my garden, I have a "summer-house" (actually just a fancy shed) & I have a power-point in there, running to a fused spur point in my kitchen.. see where im going?

can I plug in, 1 of those wi-fi extender thingies in the shed, (or even put it on the roof, so its in direct line of sight with no obstacles like fencies etc)
I could move the broadband modem to a back window so everything is in line of sight.

then use a cheap wi-fi camera, that runs off a 12v dc adaptor (which I can substitute for a fully charged car battery, charging it up in the house every week or so)
so the camera is beaming stuff to my fone or whatever & recording only when activated.

& I could also fit those intruder lights (which could be solar powered/battery powered)

would that work? or am I just over simplifying things? (ie being an idiot )

cheers,
GAZ

[Cadbury]

Now, I have no direct experience of this, but what about something like:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B016Y1OTE6
Its a wildlife camera.
You put a p+g simcard in it, then it sits in standby mode until it detects movement, can then alert you via text message or email, and then starts recording.
Battery apparently lasts 6 months in standby, and is a self contained unit that looks to do everything you want.

[stirlinggaz]