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PostPosted: 20:42 - 20 Mar 2016    Post subject: recommendation for base layers? Reply with quote

Any recommendation as to brand for base layers?

Looking for something all weather, top half only so a long sleeved shirt type base layer?

Seen proskins seem to get good reviews?
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 20 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

EDZ merino were the ones I always wanted, ended up with Karrimor merino as they were on sale and I had a credit note to waste.
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 20 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pop into your local Aldi first thing tomorrow and see if there's any base layers left over from their bike gear special today, ten ponds for top and bottoms as a set IIRC (too lazy to look on website).

Since buying a mine at £15 for the top and then another £15 for the bottoms (and that's just one set) I question why I did since base layers are sold near enough everywhere fairly cheap. B&M, Sports direct etc.

Unless there's a genuine difference between regular base layers and the ones sold under bike brand names or advertised as for bikers that I'm unaware off?
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 20 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ride every day of the year and have 8 pairs of these.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Five-Seasons-Superman-Thermal-Layer/dp/B005JXH9SY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1458506640&sr=8-1&keywords=superman+thermal

It is odd that you ask just as the damned cold weather has dissipated though. Thinking
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 20 Mar 2016    Post subject: Re: recommendation for base layers? Reply with quote

baderlfc wrote:
Any recommendation as to brand for base layers?

Looking for something all weather, top half only so a long sleeved shirt type base layer?

Seen proskins seem to get good reviews?


I have Oxford Cool Dry. They have Ride magazine award and I am very happy with it.

I have the top and the pants as well. I use them in all weather, winter and summer.

The top is not from the ones that create pressure exactly as I want it.

Gets out the sweat fine. In the winter I use it as first layer under some merino sweater or any ski thermal top. In summer I wear Oxford Cool Dry only under the jacket. Much better than the cotton T-shirts that I have used before and it was soaked with sweat. Now I am dry. Its called cool dry for a reason.

Proskins are from the type that creates a pressure on you. It is compression wear which supposedly by creating firm pressure on you somehow makes you feel better. Foc that - hence I've got Oxford one which is slightly loose fit by design.

https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_prod/185271
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PostPosted: 00:46 - 21 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I simply will not look past merino wool for base layers now. Warm when wet, comfortable against the skin, quick drying, highly effective at wicking and doesn't stink.

If I were to recommend a brand. It would be icebreaker. Not cheap though. I only buy it when it's on sale.

Lidl periodically do merino base layers and they are ok. Not as good as the icebreaker stuff but amazingly good for the price.
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 21 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another Thumbs Up for merino wool, but it has it's drawbacks. Cheaper ones can be a bit itchy when new, but this soon goes after a wash or two. Comparatively expensive. Tears easily. But you won't find a more comfortable base layer material. I've got a Rab cocono top which I like for a biking base layer, but you'll baulk at the price. However, keeps me warm in winter, cool when the sun comes out, and is very thin and so great for layering. As stinkwheel says, good wicking properties and dries very quickly in the slightest of breezes.

Currently when it's cold out, I use the Rab top (long sleeve) and a down jacket underneath my bike textile jacket, and I'm warm as toast. Down and Primaloft jackets with Pertex (windproof) are also great for wearing under a bike jacket because the jacket slips on easily over them, no struggle. I occasionally use a Montane windproof top (layered over merino), again Pertex. Thin as a fag paper, so again, great for layering, packs down to nothing if you want to take it off as the day warms up, light as a feather. Keeping the wind out effectively is half the battle. Pertex is also highly breathable.
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 21 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commuter_Tim wrote:


It is odd that you ask just as the damned cold weather has dissipated though. Thinking


Base layers are not just for the cold. They are also good when it gets hot to wick away heat and not cause your regular clothing to get all sweaty.
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 21 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a handful of coolmax items left over from my days as a cyclist. It's very good at keeping me dry on a hot day, but it's some kind of stink magnet, so not advised for keeping on all day if you commute. A merino wool undershirt you can wear all week. Reasonable value as you can wear less of them.
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 21 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The aldi set I looked at yesterday, tops only available short sleeve leaving rather chilly arms or a jumper needed over the top defeating object in my opinion.

I got chatting to a biker out last week and said how I found i was either cold or warm and never seemingly just right.. he took one look at me and said ditch the layers (t-shirt and hoody I think at time) and get a decent base layer for under my jacket.. When I researched what he said I can see the supposed benefits so looking to give it a go.

I'll do a bit more research on the options suggested, I am looking for something to wear year round, as mentioned already base layers aren't just for the cold!

Another quick question.. Finding my legs are getting colder than anything other part of me, I wear kevlar jeans with thermal longjohns underneath generally.. thinking of changing to textile or leather trousers? Is this best option or better bottom half base layer??
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 21 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 for Merino. +1 for Icebreaker too.. very silky soft and stays in shape when washed. Doesn't need washing as often as synthetics either as it has natural antibacterial qualities. I've bought cheaper merino and found it a bit itchy and loses shape / shrinks (Often lengthways so tops go short!) easily.

I go for the lightweight layers, about 160g? Double up in the winter rather than having one thick layer. Also good as a single layer in warmer weather to keep other materials away from your skin and has a cooling feel if it's good quality.
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 21 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

baderlfc wrote:


Another quick question.. Finding my legs are getting colder than anything other part of me, I wear kevlar jeans with thermal longjohns underneath generally.. thinking of changing to textile or leather trousers? Is this best option or better bottom half base layer??


Jeans do nothing to keep the wind out, so thermals underneath them can't do their job properly. Textiles or leathers will definitely be much better.

AdamEf wrote:
I've bought cheaper merino and found it a bit itchy and loses shape / shrinks (Often lengthways so tops go short!) easily.


I have a similarly cheap merino top that does this, but I find if you give the body a light few tugs whilst holding top and bottom when it is still damp from the wash, then just hang it up to air dry, you get it's length/shape back. My one is still effective after several years, and was the one that was itchy from new, but isn't now. Cheaper merino can be good Smile
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 21 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="chickenstrip"]
baderlfc wrote:


AdamEf wrote:
I've bought cheaper merino and found it a bit itchy and loses shape / shrinks (Often lengthways so tops go short!) easily.


I have a similarly cheap merino top that does this, but I find if you give the body a light few tugs whilst holding top and bottom when it is still damp from the wash, then just hang it up to air dry, you get it's length/shape back. My one is still effective after several years, and was the one that was itchy from new, but isn't now. Cheaper merino can be good Smile


Cheers, I'll try this. It's ok when hidden under kit but the crop top look isn't a good one on me when I take my jacket off. : )
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 21 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

AdamEf wrote:


Cheers, I'll try this. It's ok when hidden under kit but the crop top look isn't a good one on me when I take my jacket off. : )


Gather the hem together in one hand, and the collar in the other to do it. Don't yank too hard! I find the sleeves on mine don't need doing.
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 21 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possum and merino.
https://www.thepossumstore.com/shop/mens-possum-merino-clothing.html
An excuse to be fluffy and warm at the same time.
And it doesn't itch.
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 21 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are supposed to stretch merino (like all wool) after washing. It is usually sold much thinner than cotton, but is much much stronger.

Of course there are different grades/quality of merino and it's never mentioned on the pack (only the thickness), so it's better to go for a trusted brand like Rab, Patagonia etc..
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PostPosted: 00:37 - 22 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 00:44 - 22 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks like a few people are fans of merino - seconded

I got a fairly good deal on some helly hansen on amazon i think. i find artificial fabrics make you stink and if you buy those skin hugging things (online anyway)they are uncomfortable and are not exactly flattering when the jacket comes off

I also subscribe to one of those email "daily deal" things called sports pursuits. lots of deals on winter clothes all the time.
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PostPosted: 00:54 - 22 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

baderlfc wrote:
Another quick question.. Finding my legs are getting colder than anything other part of me, I wear kevlar jeans with thermal longjohns underneath generally.. thinking of changing to textile or leather trousers? Is this best option or better bottom half base layer??


Keep an eye out for 'wind proof' long johns (I got mine on the Bay of Es), they make a real difference.
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 22 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpineandy wrote:


Keep an eye out for 'wind proof' long johns (I got mine on the Bay of Es), they make a real difference.


That's interesting, I didn't know such things existed. I'll be looking for some now. Any more info on what I'm looking for, material, manufacturer?
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 22 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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@chickenstrip, cycle shops (Wiggle, Evans, or even a traditional local bike shop) sell windproof kit but it's not cheap.
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 22 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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@chickenstrip, cycle shops (Wiggle, Evans, or even a traditional local bike shop) sell windproof kit but it's not cheap.


I'm specifically interested in the idea of wind proof long johns that go under other layers, as opposed to a wind proof shell trouser that goes over them - d'you think a cycle shop will do that kind of thing?
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 22 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was more meaning cycling orientated kit that'll be described as tights rather than base layers. Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 22 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
That's interesting, I didn't know such things existed. I'll be looking for some now. Any more info on what I'm looking for, material, manufacturer?


first search ; https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ANTI-FREEZE-WINDPROOF-PROTECTION-LONG-JOHNS-BRAND-NEW-VARIOUS-SIZES-/181833678729?var=&hash=item2a5621bf89:m:muj8EmL2FAilf5w5NR59jVg

I have some spada 'chill factor' ones.
Knox 'cold killer' and other inventive names out there.
Can wear regular LJs underneath. But they don't have a 'fly' so you'll have to undo stuff for a piss!

Not as good as textiles but better than jeans & standard LJs, and can be used under textiles.
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 22 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpineandy wrote:


first search ; https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ANTI-FREEZE-WINDPROOF-PROTECTION-LONG-JOHNS-BRAND-NEW-VARIOUS-SIZES-/181833678729?var=&hash=item2a5621bf89:m:muj8EmL2FAilf5w5NR59jVg

I have some spada 'chill factor' ones.
Knox 'cold killer' and other inventive names out there.
Can wear regular LJs underneath. But they don't have a 'fly' so you'll have to undo stuff for a piss!

Not as good as textiles but better than jeans & standard LJs, and can be used under textiles.


Bugger, out of stock of XL, otherwise I'd have ordered now - at that price, no reason not to give them a go. I tried "wind proof long johns" in a Google search, but aside from a couple of American reviews for Knox etc, didn't get much.

Really, if I'm honest, I want them to wear under jeans, as when it's really cold, I'll use normal long johns under my textile trousers, but sometimes don't like all the bulkiness and would prefer not to look like I'm tied to a motorcycle when out and about, if that makes any sense.

How effective do you find the Spada ones? I'd forgotten about those - I believe Ox***d Pr*****s do similar now, too.
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