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Silver_Fox
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: White power Reply with quote

Or lack of it Laughing

I've bought a CG125, and the spark plug looks exactly like this......white core, very white tip.

From what I deduce, that's running lean? Any suggestions on where to start?

https://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q98/pimpin88_photos/Saturn%20white%20spark%20plugs/P7150027.jpg
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Air filter plugged.
Jet in carb plugged (normally with a crusty stuff) or a simple bit of shite.

Fuel flow from tank to carb blocked. Tap, Hose, in-line filter if fitted.

ps. I never knowed they made a four cylinder CG125. Thinking
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
ps. I never knowed they made a four cylinder CG125. Thinking


Maybe if the plug looks exactly like that photo then Silver_Fox should lay off the falling down water for a while... Very Happy
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Air filter looks brand new. Some mayonnaise collected in the bottom of the housing, I assume from the breather.

Is it easy to get to the carb to clean/check it? I've got some Seafoam I could run through her too


bamt wrote:
Maybe if the plug looks exactly like that photo then Silver_Fox should lay off the falling down water for a while... Very Happy


Quadruple vision? I'm off to watch the strip joint scene in Total Recall then. So many boobs Shocked
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some info here.

https://www.gsparkplug.com/

You could have a root aboot here too.
There's a similarity between CG125s and early British Bikes as in their basics.

https://bsac10c11c12.co.uk/smf/
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PostPosted: 19:35 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver_Fox wrote:
Is it easy to get to the carb to clean/check it?

Couldn't be easier, it's right there between the engine and the airbox.

Google assures me that this is a CG125 carb:

https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/attachments/honda-bikes/1253935d1377680744-cg-125-euro-ii-2013-problem-murree-carb.jpg

It's not, it's a picture of the actual carb on my old HN125-8 copybike which has been blagged and tagged by Pakistanis. Actual FACT. Should be close enough though.

If you're spending a lot of time idling then you can try adjusting the mixture screw. Back it out to richen the mixture. However, if that's the result of running under throttle then I'd suspect the main jet, needle, and/or float height

Also, what's the heat rating on the plug? NGK D8EA would be typical. Has someone been trying to get clever?
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's an 8 but I've ordered a 9 as per this chaps recommendations...

https://hondacg125.awardspace.com/spark_plug.htm

"You need a NGK DPR8EA-9 spark plug for normal riding and a NGK DPR9EA-9 for extended high speed riding,
The extended high speed riding spark plug is stated in the Honda CG125 Front Disc brake models Owner's Manual"

"I found that 54mph in 5th gear is high speed for the plug and results in power dropping off if left at that speed for 1/2 mile.
The power drop off (plug overheating), results in the bike dropping to 50mph against a very strong head wind,
if you slow down a lot the plug will recover.

I fitted the DPR9EA-9 plug and end of problem = no power drop off and the bikes about 5 mph faster"

I definitely found this on the 1hr jaunt back from Oxford. The throttle was pinned open almost the entire way home. The M40 made a man out of me Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, I fitted a 9 to my HN when I took it on a tour. Worth a try.
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Re: White power! Reply with quote

Silver_Fox wrote:
White power!

https://i.imgur.com/UgI5qps.jpg

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PostPosted: 21:12 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should have ordered an Iridium plug for it.
It'll start better and last longer.
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
Should have ordered an Iridium plug for it.
It'll start better and last longer.



I contemplated that but it was more than 3x the price of the .9 plug and no real world reviews of anyone who'd used one
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver_Fox wrote:
MCN wrote:
Should have ordered an Iridium plug for it.
It'll start better and last longer.



I contemplated that but it was more than 3x the price of the .9 plug and no real world reviews of anyone who'd used one



5er-ish each.

You never asked me. Smile

Most BMWs are fitted with iridium as standard.

They make a hoowur of a difference in my auld BSAs and in the CG125. Maybe psychological/placebo but I found the CG125 went crackers on the Iridium.

The BSAs will fire up on the first or second (or third) kick.
I used to wear out the sole of my slipper with the standard plugs in. Smile
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PostPosted: 07:38 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mustn't have looked hard enough last night, at the time I bought the .9 for £4.31 on Amazon Prime, the cheapest I'd seen the iridium was £14. I've just found it for £7 on Ebay Razz

It's for my partners birthday, and it's her first bike so I want it tip top before she sees it Smile

Did you use the 8 or 9 iridium on your CG?
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PostPosted: 10:03 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried an iridium DR8EIX in my copy-engine. Eh. It might have made starting a little easier, but it was never a struggle. I can't say that it ran significantly better with it.

The best placebo effect I obtained was with a side-gapped plug, because effort = reward. Folded arms

Ha! I get to nick this image back off of PakWheels.

https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/attachments/d-i-y-projects/513643d1186085220-diy-side-gapping-spark-plugs-extra-gain-img110_p58_pakwheels-com-.gif
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeahhhhhhh. If you could just undo that "upgrade" that'd be greattttttt

https://www.artwithimpact.org/sites/default/files/lumberg.jpg
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver_Fox wrote:
I mustn't have looked hard enough last night, at the time I bought the .9 for £4.31 on Amazon Prime, the cheapest I'd seen the iridium was £14. I've just found it for £7 on Ebay Razz

It's for my partners birthday, and it's her first bike so I want it tip top before she sees it Smile

Did you use the 8 or 9 iridium on your CG?


***WARNING***
THIS POST MAY MAKE YOU SICK

https://www.amazon.com/NGK-DPR7EIX-9-Iridium-Spark-Plug/dp/B001B0X00U

https://www.gsparkplug.com/1x-ngk-iridium-ix-spark-plug-dpr7eix-9-dpr7eix9-7803.html?___SID=U



I think I only paid a fiver for the one I bought.
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why did you buy a .7?
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q98/pimpin88_photos/Saturn%20white%20spark%20plugs/P7150027.jpg

Those plugs. What make are they anyway? Don't look like any of the common brands. Compression washers look shonky as hell.

It also sems to me that they still have the screw-on adapter on the top suggesting you have a non-standard plug cap fitted.

Tuning by sparkplug. I fitted BP7HS plugs to my Bullet instead of B7HS because more compression innit?*

* This may cause the piston to hit the sparkplug in some engines.
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was the closest pic I could find on Googly. It's not my plug or plugs. No plug comparison chart had anything near as white so I scanned ze net
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver_Fox wrote:
Why did you buy a .7?


It was the 'equivalent' for the OEM plug fitted.

The Iridium cores have magical powers.
They promote a big fat spark because they stay clean.

They probably never need the gap set as they do not wear as regular plugs do.
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PostPosted: 09:03 - 06 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irridiums are ace in engines that run a bit rich or are otherwise prone to fouling. Particularly good in big air cooled cylinders in engines that are hard to start in cold weather. More resistant to carbon fouling and fuel condensation fouling.

If you dont have those problems you wont notice any difference beyond extended lifespan. Beware of mechanics swapping out pristine irridium plugs for cheap ones becasue scheduled change innit
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 06 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 07 CG had plugs that were almost grey/white, they were supposed to be that way as Honda made the CG very lean to pass the euro 3?, I think it was that one. Anyway I had no problems in the 15k or so I did.

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PostPosted: 11:40 - 06 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark65 wrote:
My 07 CG had plugs that were almost grey/white, they were supposed to be that way as Honda made the CG very lean to pass the euro 3?, I think it was that one. Anyway I had no problems in the 15k or so I did.

Mark


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