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rubyhorse2
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 05 May 2016    Post subject: chain and sprockets - how easy? Reply with quote

well i've got all parts for my pre-euro trip, which consists of

2 new tyres
chain and sprockets
spark plugs
oil and filter
brake pads

i've just rang rocket centre and its £240 to fit it all.

Now i'm more than happy doing oil and filter, brake pads and the spark plugs.

tyres i can get done for £10 each

only issue i have is the chain and sprockets. never done this on a motorbike before (plenty times on MTB), is it something i can have a go at and be confident its safely installed? happy to buy the tool for the chain and can take my time, just worried about making sure chain is installed properly but i guess its similar to a MTB chain.

Come on, fill me with confidence and say its an easy job Smile
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 05 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

what bike?

something with a fair bit of power and rivets should be done. If its a little bike the split link/clip links are very easy to do.
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PostPosted: 11:58 - 05 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 12:02 - 05 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the £240 to supply and fit?

Edit - just seen you have parts. I'd do it myself.
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 05 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeh quite pricey hey, all labour.

i could try my local motorbike garage, who will no doubt be a lot cheaper, but told him i was changing my rear lights last time i had MOT and i've not done so bit embarrassed to go in haha.
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 05 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh.. nice Cool

you'l be wanting to rivet the links. if you're going travelling, get a pro to do it. they'l be liable for anything that happens i think.

if it was a split link type thing i'd say do it yourself but rivets can fail very easily if not done right
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 05 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

damn didnt want to hear that Sad
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 05 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have done it once, on my Fireblade and it is still there and I have not died that many times. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 05 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

rubyhorse2 wrote:
damn didnt want to hear that Sad


im sure you'd be fine. Its not 10/10 difficult. probably 3/10 with a chance of being stranded somewhere
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 05 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've done it once myself on my old Ninja. Easy if you've seen someone do it physically. So perhaps a youtube vid would help. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 05 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make sure you get the riveting right a sapped chain would ruin you euro trip !
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 05 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a series of pictures in Stinkwheel's KLE500 resurrection thread that show a chain replacement procedure. Might be helpful?
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 05 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok i',m kind of happy to have a go at this, i presume you can either visually see or notice in riding if its not done correctly straight away, or is this something that would just go kaboom at some point in the future?
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 05 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

No most look fine I never river a chain unless I had a proper rivet tool and I fussy which chains I will fit I refuse to fit cheap chains to powerful bikes
But I am a pro so not getting it right could be costly
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PostPosted: 12:51 - 05 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd do all that myself and I'm a novice, chain and sprockets can seem daunting at first, but with the right tools (impact gun, chain splitting/ riveting tool) It's not that hard. There's plenty of video's on Youtube showing the steps and you can measure the riveted link to ensure it's worked.
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 05 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Splitter:
https://assets.jewson.co.uk/category-images/9624/Main/9624.jpg

Impact gun requirement negated with a bit of wood through back wheel (to butt against swingarm - chain still on at this point) and crack the nut off the front sprocket whilst everything is 'locked up'.
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 05 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok looks pretty simple so i'm gonna have a go.

Last few questions

buying a chain rivet tool now, any specific one recommended?
will i need any other specific tools?

cheers all
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 05 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not hard to do if you take your time. When I did the chain on my Hornet, I loosened the front sprocket nut before I did anything else by using a breaker bar and holding the brake on while I cracked it. I used the brake to hold the wheel while I cracked the rear sprocket nuts as well. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 05 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not this one:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sealey-VS779-Motorcycle-Breaker-Riveter/dp/B000WZAAUS/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1462452028&sr=8-3&keywords=chain+riveter
Broke but managed to be bodged to still work.

No other specialist tools - assuming you have the right size sockets. Oh and check which direction the front sprocket nut spins to come off. You do not want to sweat your nuts off, risking a hernia by actually tightening it. I would never have done that. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 05 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the Draper tool which works well. Thumbs Up

Either use a grinder to cut the old chain in two or grind the heads off of the soft rivets before you attempt to press them out. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 05 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers all

big variation in price on the chain tools, taken note of your experiences with some, post some other recommendations. looking at the Draper one for now.

thanks
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 05 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm very likely going to be using this AFAM chain tool tonight
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ducati-ST4S-996-01-05-AFAM-Easy-Riv-Chain-Tool-/282011678856?hash=item41a934b888:g:GDQAAOSwYIhWl~eT

Will report back if it was any good.
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 05 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

that sealey one will work fine. i got the £10.95 rip off one from ebay and its served me well. some report they break if you're heavy handed.
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 05 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmm see i've used both cheap and expensive ones when doing my MTB chains and all have worked fine, though on one occasion a cheap one did bend the pin, but this was me being in a rush, so is cheap ok?
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PostPosted: 15:44 - 05 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Minty wrote:

How much? Laughing

I got what looks like an identical set off of eBay for £11.79

Granted, I snapped the top clean off the outer part while winding the inner in. Fortunately it was on the 2nd rivet and I was giving it Full Hulk to be sure it was spread. So, disposable, but at under £12 still cheaper than going to a garage. And now I know the "snap tool, then reduce torque by 10%" limit. Whistle

And yes, angle grinder to split, although a grinding wheel in a normal drill will easily enough remove the heads and let you press the pins out.
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