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Cronik
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 20 May 2016    Post subject: Do you bother to replace sump plug/washers? Reply with quote

Whatever they're called...Cronik does not certainly know.


£7 seems too taxing
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 20 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not the plug, but washer yes. If it's already crushed, it won't crush as well the next time and you then risk stripping the thread much easier.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 20 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copper or aluminium washers are cheap to replace. Some people prefer dowty washers.
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 20 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never used to as they dont come in with the filters (stupid) or the plugs (more stupid) so are easy to forget.

After having one not seal on someone elses car and having to go 50 miles out of my way to fix it, I started keeping them on the shelf and my tame parts fella is a legend and now tapes the appropriate one to the box for anything I order even if I forget to ask.
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 20 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not had a problem yet so don't bother... *shrugs*
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 20 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, with Dowty washers.

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PostPosted: 15:54 - 20 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just clean mine and apply a little sealant to the washer.
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 20 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

if its a copper or aluminium washer I just anneal them.
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 20 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Washer yes, plug no. For the price of a washer it'd be criminal not to.
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 20 May 2016    Post subject: Re: Do you bother to replace sump plug/washers? Reply with quote

Cronik wrote:

£7 seems too taxing


From Honda/Yamaha/Kawasaki or whoever in a nicely labelled separately packed little plastic bag - £7.
From your local hardware merchant - probably about 0.20p
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 20 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I swap the plug with a magnetic ended one and keep it, washers maybe once every 3rd oil change. For the sake of a few pence its worth it
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 20 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just bought a 1995 Bandit 600, drained the oil and the plug washer was so mashed it was effectively bonded to the drain bolt.
I had to blowtorch the thing for far too long to remove the washer until I can replace the bolt.

Replace your washer man. (if the threads look damaged, replace the bolt too)
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 20 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crush washers are pennies and ensure a decent seal without over tightening. They're also a consumable. Why wouldn't you replace them?
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 20 May 2016    Post subject: Re: Do you bother to replace sump plug/washers? Reply with quote

FlightRisk wrote:
From your local hardware merchant - probably about 0.20p

That's amazing value for money
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 20 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Don't replace them always, but do often. Tight git, so often reuse them if only used once.

But they are cheap if bought in bulk. Measure it, then look on Ebay and buy a packet of a few dozen.

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PostPosted: 03:25 - 21 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always do, it only costs a few quid for 20 or so, so why not. I took a few with me touring for when I changed my oil along the way, the tiny size and weight means it is no bother.
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PostPosted: 03:33 - 21 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never replaced either on six bikes and 10 or more oil changes on each. Yet to ever notice any oil loss around the sump plug. I probably do tend to under-torque slightly though, fwtw.
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 21 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always make a visual check and if the copper washer looks good I reuse it. Thumbs Up

There goes next to no torque to screw down the sump plug, so the washer never gets damaged.
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 21 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even Mercedes Benz charge just 58p for one to suit my van. Also got 20 litres of OE low ash oil for £50!!!!
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 21 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the same bike as Cronik, (I have ridden mine Very Happy)

Someone recommended an M12 Dowty washer to me on here,

I had a look on eBay and they were about a pound for 2,
Probably get them cheaper elsewhere, but that would last me a year,

So at least you know the size as well now
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 21 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan1986 wrote:
I have the same bike as Cronik, (I have ridden mine Very Happy)

Someone recommended an M12 Dowty washer to me on here,

I had a look on eBay and they were about a pound for 2,
Probably get them cheaper elsewhere, but that would last me a year,

So at least you know the size as well now


ACF50 arrived today. Going to blob it on and watch it emanate.

Start of next month the Cee-Ronik will tax it, insure it, and quite certainly...ride it!
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 21 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never. I don't replace brake caliper bolts either.
Unless it's damaged it goes right back in. Sump is not high pressure area, never had a leak from the bolt area.
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 21 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:

There goes next to no torque to screw down the sump plug, so the washer never gets damaged.

I've always been surprised how low sump plug Torque is, it's around an M12 bolt and only torqued to around 20nm on my bikes.
Is there a logical reason the torque is so low for sump plugs? (in comparison to the size of the bolt/thread)
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 21 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not load bearing, it's a large bolt purely to flow at suitable rate.
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