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 Posted: 11:04 - 13 Jun 2016 Post subject: Re: 2011 CBR600F vs 2011CBR650 |
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Have Fazer. Presumably an FZ6 S2 as you upgraded from an ER6?
FZ6 S2 = 98 hp / 63.1 Nm / 180kg dry
2011 CBR600F (Hornet in a frock) = 100.6 bhp / 64 Nm / 198.0 kg wet
Barely anything in it. Presumably either bike will be as fast as you want to ride them anywhere other than the Autobahn or a "private road". Even an old FZS600 had more in it than my right hand wanted to find.
2014 (2011? wut?) CBR650 = 85.8 hp / 63 Nm / 212 kg wet
Is slower and lardier or not even any more peak torque.
When you say faster, do you mean speed, or acceleration?
Why 600 - 700? The obvious answer is Fireblade.  ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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 Posted: 15:13 - 13 Jun 2016 Post subject: Re: 2011 CBR600F vs 2011CBR650 |
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| G wrote: | | BakesBeans wrote: |
The CBR650F is less power, not sure why... |
Because it's got half the number of cylinders and will rev lower. |
Er, no, it's an IL4 as well. I mean, I'm assuming that we are talking about the 2014 onwards CBR650F here, rather than some other letter-salad bike.
Honda have just neutered it. It's apparently got more low down torque than the 600, but nothing more at the peak. Thanks, Euro 4 and A2 compatibility.
I'm sure it's got plenty of performance for most riders in most situations on UK roads, but in the context of "wanna go fasta" it's a non-starta. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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 Posted: 15:38 - 13 Jun 2016 Post subject: Re: 2011 CBR600F vs 2011CBR650 |
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The FZ6 is as fast as any of the 600 sports bikes from the early 2000's. Mine was putting out 95hp at the wheel with some end cans and a PC3 and would keep up with most thing on track days that were just in road tune. (Now putting out over 100 at the wheel, but at the expensive of all mid range)
But the delivery is very 'top end' below 8k and you're wasting your time.
SO either ring it's neck more or trade it up for something that you'll notice the difference on more.
For example my dads FZ1 doesn't feel much 'faster' than my FZ6, but the way it delivers the power is much more suited to a road bike and it's a lovely bike to ride on the road. Have you considered one of these? It's basically an FZ6 with 50% more power. Or an FZ8..
Or try the MT09.
What I'm saying is the FZ6 is very capable, so be careful to not go 'down' in terms of performance and don't be scarred to go for something with a bigger engine, as if you think the FZ6 is slow, then you're not riding it properly. ____________________ CBT Passed: 30/08/2009, Theory Passed: 31/08/2010, Mod 1 Passed: 6/9/2010, Mod 2 Passed: 13/09/2010. Restriction ended 13/09/2012.
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| tracks wrote: | This sums up my dilemma well. I'm looking for a faired bike and have some test rides on Friday.
I was just wondering what alternatives there were that I should not dismiss.
BTW: I may be the only person in the world that doesn't like the look of the stripple  |
Go to the yammy dealership and try a half faired FZ8, FZ1 and MT09 tracer.
All are bikes that allow you to make progress without having to scream the bollocks off it. Don't be scarred because it's a 1000 or whatever, they're only as fast as you let them go.
I'd have traded the FZ6 up for an FZ1 if my FZ6 wasn't in such a state that it's not worth anything now. I'd probably have kept the N as well just because it's lols. But the half faired FZ1 I've ridden a few times now is a really nice bike that you could happily do 300 miles on. Ideal tourer, with a punch in the mid range, but peak power pretty much on the rev limiter, so it pulls rather nicely at the top end and is still rewarding to 'thrash'. Plus the gears are ridiculously close together, which makes it even more fun - even in some respects more than the 600, as you can ride the mid range and change through twice as many gears and still make good progress.
I also quite fancy the MT09 because that looks ridiculous, gearing of a 600 but torque of a 1000, power wheelies in 3rd. Sounds lie my kind of bike.
Might go for one of these when the prices come down a bit, if the FZ6 prices are anything to go by in a couple of years I should be able to pick one up for £2500. ____________________ CBT Passed: 30/08/2009, Theory Passed: 31/08/2010, Mod 1 Passed: 6/9/2010, Mod 2 Passed: 13/09/2010. Restriction ended 13/09/2012.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 10 years, 123 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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