2011 CBR600F vs 2011CBR650

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Hi all,

I am looking at purchasing a new bike and it's down to the two above. Do any of you have experience of riding them and which do you think is the better bike?

Usage: The bike will be used for some limited commuting and weekend play times.

History: I'm coming from a Fazer which to be fair is an excellent bike and instilled a lot of confidence in the way I rode. Prior to this I had an ER6F. A fancy something a bit quicker.

I have taken the CBR600f for a test drive and I like the ride and handling. The test ride was only an hour and in that time I got on with the bike a lot better than I originally envisaged in terms of rider positioning but I have a worry that on longer rides it may start to become irritating to my wrists and back.

So basically, which should I go for? If you don't think either would be suitable, what alternatives are there in the 600cc to 700cc category?

My max price is £5500.

TL;DR: Changing bikes. CBR600F or CBR650. Previous bikes ER6F and FZ6 S1. Concerned about comfort on long rides.

[G]

The 'CBR'650 is about the same as your ER6 I thought?

Remember there are lots of options to change ergonomics on most bikes.

[Rogerborg]

Have Fazer. Presumably an FZ6 S2 as you upgraded from an ER6?

FZ6 S2 = 98 hp / 63.1 Nm / 180kg dry

2011 CBR600F (Hornet in a frock) = 100.6 bhp / 64 Nm / 198.0 kg wet

Barely anything in it. Presumably either bike will be as fast as you want to ride them anywhere other than the Autobahn or a "private road". Even an old FZS600 had more in it than my right hand wanted to find.

2014 (2011? wut?) CBR650 = 85.8 hp / 63 Nm / 212 kg wet

Is slower and lardier or not even any more peak torque.

When you say faster, do you mean speed, or acceleration?

Why 600 - 700? The obvious answer is Fireblade.
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Thanks for the responses.

I guess, for me it's more about the power delivery and acceleration. I'm looking for a step up from the FZ6, just as this was a step up (IMO) from an ER6F.

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[BakesBeans]

I had a 2011 CBR600F, great bike and it's the bike I would say I learned to ride properly on and got rid of my chicken strips. I can't compare to a Fazer as I've never ridden one..

I think the CBR600F leans more forward than the hornet, that and the fairing is the only difference I think.

The CBR650F is less power, not sure why... although when I was trading up (at the time I wanted an 600RR) the salesman really tried to push the 650F, but I wanted more power!
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[Pjay]

GSXR 750 would be a nice upgrade, as would a STriple.

[Albigularis]

[Rogerborg]

[G]

Oh wow, I could have sworn they'd released a 650 twin as a CB650f; but it seems it was just a four with the current regression of technology to slower and heavier - gained 50cc and lost power!

[Rogerborg]

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[DrSnoosnoo]

MT07 hoonigan-looking-esque ? Don't know the specs to compare with 'Borg and can't be bothered to google.
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[0l0dom0l0]

The FZ6 is as fast as any of the 600 sports bikes from the early 2000's. Mine was putting out 95hp at the wheel with some end cans and a PC3 and would keep up with most thing on track days that were just in road tune. (Now putting out over 100 at the wheel, but at the expensive of all mid range)

But the delivery is very 'top end' below 8k and you're wasting your time.

SO either ring it's neck more or trade it up for something that you'll notice the difference on more.

For example my dads FZ1 doesn't feel much 'faster' than my FZ6, but the way it delivers the power is much more suited to a road bike and it's a lovely bike to ride on the road. Have you considered one of these? It's basically an FZ6 with 50% more power. Or an FZ8..

Or try the MT09.

What I'm saying is the FZ6 is very capable, so be careful to not go 'down' in terms of performance and don't be scarred to go for something with a bigger engine, as if you think the FZ6 is slow, then you're not riding it properly.
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[Duffman]

Ive got an MT-09 and love it. I don't have the skill/balls to thrash it to its potential yet. The low/mid range power is great, tonnes of acceleration from pretty much any gear at 2/3k revs and upwards.

Would be interested to hear what a more experienced rider has to say as i can only compare to the ER6n training bike.

Also, i got the official Yamaha remap done as the throttle response from closed was all or nothing. Its much smoother now. I've only used A mode once... and will be leaving that mode well alone until i'm a better rider.
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[Scooty]

I had a a 2011 CBR600F; lovely bike. Suspension and brakes were better than the low-ish price would suggest. Never really felt under-powered despite a lot of comparisons to the 600RR that were floating around at the time. Seems that it didn't suffer from the curse of poor quality that seems to have crept up on Hondas in the past few years - never had any issues with the finish on mine. Exhaust was bloody ugly though. And leaves, etc. got caught down at the bottom of the inside of the screen where you couldn't get them out unless you took it apart.
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