Wanting to buy a new bike but...

[chrisdubya]

Morning all

Im looking to buy a new bike, however after speaking to the owner, the only part of the V5 he has is the new owners part (well, the whole right hand side sheet).

He bought the bike off his friend and has had it a while, but could the V5 cause an issue??

Thanks

Chris

[stinkwheel]

Yes it is an issue.

If he's had it for a while (how long is a "while?) and is the registered keeper, he ought to have the V5.

You have to ask yourself why he doesn't which will either be (most likely) a DVLA cockup OR there is some sort of problem such as him not being the owner, the bike being a write-off, there being some sort of problem with the registration or the transferr of ownership to him not having been done by the previous keeper.

Do you want to take the risk? It costs money to get a replacement V5 if it's missing. I personally wouldn't buy a bike unless I could see the V5.
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[grr666]

Don't buy a bike off of someone who couldn't be arsed to register it properly. What else couldn't they be arsed to do?
It's propbaly got a dozen unpaid fines on it, and a police marker too. No V5 then I wouldn't buy it.
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[Ste]

No V5, no sale.

Find yourself a different bike to buy.

[Rogerborg]

It's not a total red flag, the DVLA does like to spack things up.

However, it is an issue.

The new keeper slip doesn't help. For him to do an instant change of keeper online requires the 11 digit number from the full V5C.

Otherwise, he's supposed to write to the DVLA telling them of the change of keeper. Since he hasn't bothered chasing up the V5C, I'd doubt he'll do that once he has your money (and he may not be the registered keeper anyway). So you'll have to apply for it, pay £25 (so that you can pay them more money later), and wait several months for them to try and get in touch with whomever is registered as the keeper.

The big issue is VED. You can't buy it without a V5C, or the new new keeper slip. Not the one he has. If it's got VED on it, or if you use that slip to pay now, then it'll be cancelled when DVLA do the change of keeper to you, any refund will go to whomever they have it registered with, you'll be committing an offence by riding or keeping it on a public road (but you won't know at which point you become a criminal) and you can't buy VED and get legal again until you get the new V5C though.

tl;dr version - ball ache, approach with considerable caution and eyes wide open.
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[Ste]

Finding a different bike is the easiest option.

[Motorhate]

I would tend to say definitely do not buy that bike. Simple rule, no V5 = NO SALE. There are a whole host of issues you could run into if you buy it - stolen / outstanding fines / who knows what else ...

Also, you can't tax it without a V5.

HOWEVER ....

you can change ownership online now which could mean he has a confirmation email confirming that he is indeed the legitimate keeper of the vehicle. Ask him about this. Details are here:

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-news/92483/new-v5c-log-book-rules-full-guide-for-car-buyers-and-sellers

If he can't produce either or can't produce any evidence of him being the owner then walk away.
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[Rogerborg]

The current keeper won't have an email confirmation of the transfer though. That goes (or should have gone) to the previous keeper, as it's up to them to inform DVLA of the transfer.

The lack of a V5C suggests that the previous keeper has never bothered doing so. More fool him.
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[dannymassive]

[Motorhate]

[Rogerborg]

[chrisdubya]

Ok thanks guys. Its a track bike at the minute and has never been on the road for years. Has all lights on etc. so at first glance looked easy to put back on the road and use as a track bike too, but the whole 'got it off my mate' and V5 thing is making me have doubts.

I'll keep looking, thanks for the advice

[Rogerborg]

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