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TMB
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 21 Jun 2016    Post subject: A1 licence, now what ? Reply with quote

Hi everyone, my ID stands for The Motorbike Bug Smile, which I've well and truly caught.

I recently passed my A1 test and now riding with R plates on my wee 125.

I'd like to get my A licence too.

On the gov website, page five of this pdf https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/369984/routes-to-your-motorcycle-licence.pdf it says I do not need another CBT if I'm over 24 and have a full A1 licence, but a local instructor is insisting that I do need another CBT for the A licence.

Can anyone tell me for sure if I need another CBT before doing the Mod1 & Mod2 for the A licence? I'm over 24 and have a valid therory test.

Thanks in advance for any clarification you guys & girls can provide.
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 21 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've already got a licence so he's talking shit all you need to redo is your mod 1 and 2.
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 21 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the quick reply Tom.

His logic, or lack of, is that because I have R plates it's not a full licence.

He actually rang the test center and asked one of the main examiners to speak to me, the examiner also tried to tell me I was wrong, or that the governments pdf is wrong.
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 21 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wtf is an R plate? Eh?
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 21 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Restricted drivers

After passing the driving test for a motor car or a motorcycle, you must display amber R plates for a period of one year from the date of passing the test.

The plates must conform to legal specifications and must be clearly visible to others from in front of the vehicle and from behind. Plates should be removed or covered when not being driven by a restricted driver.

The maximum permitted speed for a motor car or category A1 motorcycle displaying R plates is 45 mph (72km/h), whether or not the vehicle is being driven by a restricted driver. The speed restriction does not apply to A2 or A motorcycles, although R plates must be displayed for the first year after passing the test."

Maybe things are different in Northern Ireland then...
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 21 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

TMB wrote:
Maybe things are different in Northern Ireland then...

Loads of things are, you chaps get the fuzzy end of the legislative lollypop.

I can think of absolutely no reason why passing A1 tests would either invalidate your existing CBT, nor why you'd need an in-period CBT at all if you've already got an A1 license.

Thing is, you don't have the DVSA or DVLA there, you've got an entirely different cower of shunts, the DVA.

Essentially, what they say goes. You could try emailing them at dva@infrastructure-ni.gov.uk and seeing if you can get any sense out of them.

The very best of luck to you.
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 21 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/driving-licence-you-need-ride-motorcycle That reads to me as being the same as the mainland, no need to redo a CBT.
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 21 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah NI, that explains it then!
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 21 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

TMB wrote:
Maybe things are different in Northern Ireland then...


If you'd put some indication of your location in your profile or on the original comment then this confusion wouldn't have arisen.
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 21 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpineandy wrote:
TMB wrote:
Maybe things are different in Northern Ireland then...


If you'd put some indication of your location in your profile or on the original comment then this confusion wouldn't have arisen.


Right you are Drew Thumbs Up Doh!
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 21 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

tom_e wrote:
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/driving-licence-you-need-ride-motorcycle That reads to me as being the same as the mainland, no need to redo a CBT.


"Direct Access - you must be at least 24 years old, have a valid CBT certificate (only if you do not have full entitlement to A1 or A2) and pass the theory and category A practical motorcycle tests"

I thought the same Tom.
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 21 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

I can think of absolutely no reason why passing A1 tests would either invalidate your existing CBT, nor why you'd need an in-period CBT at all if you've already got an A1 license.


It's like asking why you would need CBT for a 125cc if you already have a P or AM licence.
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PostPosted: 05:37 - 22 Jun 2016    Post subject: Re: A1 licence, now what ? Reply with quote

TMB wrote:
recently passed my A1


TMB wrote:
I'm over 24


I have to ask, why did you go through the hassle of an A1 when you could have gone straight for an A licence?
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PostPosted: 08:20 - 22 Jun 2016    Post subject: Re: A1 licence, now what ? Reply with quote

Ben90 wrote:
TMB wrote:
recently passed my A1


TMB wrote:
I'm over 24


I have to ask, why did you go through the hassle of an A1 when you could have gone straight for an A licence?


Can't go back and change it now, moving forward...
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PostPosted: 09:20 - 22 Jun 2016    Post subject: Re: A1 licence, now what ? Reply with quote

Ben90 wrote:
TMB wrote:
recently passed my A1


TMB wrote:
I'm over 24


I have to ask, why did you go through the hassle of an A1 when you could have gone straight for an A licence?




Well for one thing, it's quicker and cheaper than renewing your CBT Wink
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PostPosted: 10:42 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
TMB wrote:
Maybe things are different in Northern Ireland then...

Loads of things are, you chaps get the fuzzy end of the legislative lollypop.

I can think of absolutely no reason why passing A1 tests would either invalidate your existing CBT, nor why you'd need an in-period CBT at all if you've already got an A1 license.

Thing is, you don't have the DVSA or DVLA there, you've got an entirely different cower of shunts, the DVA.

Essentially, what they say goes. You could try emailing them at dva@infrastructure-ni.gov.uk and seeing if you can get any sense out of them.

The very best of luck to you.


Emailed and got this back from them:

"If a rider has completed CBT on a moped or A1 motorcycle, they will be required to complete and additional CBT course on A2 or A motorcycle as the rider will not have been trained at speeds in excess of 45mph.

However, if a candidate has passed and A1 test and gained 2 years experience they will not require CBT for A2 or A (provided they meet the relevant age requirements) as they will have been able to gain one year’s post-test experience riding at speeds in excess of 45mph." Sad

I think I'll just scoot about on the 125 for a couple of years, can't bring myself to pay another £175 for a CBT.
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 24 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are those sods just making it up as they go along?

Come Britain, get license.
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 28 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jmon wrote:
It's like asking why you would need CBT for a 125cc if you already have a P or AM licence.


I'd have thought you would, as AM only entitles you to 49cc automatic. Previous to the 3DLD rules (not sure if it's changed now) it was category B + CBT = AM entitlement forever. So I will have been able to ride a moped with no L plate for years before passing any A category tests, but still had to have a CBT.

TMB wrote:
However, if a candidate has passed and A1 test and gained 2 years experience they will not require CBT for A2 or A (provided they meet the relevant age requirements) as they will have been able to gain one year’s post-test experience riding at speeds in excess of 45mph." Sad


2 years is the standard upgrade time. They wanted to rob me for another theory test when I upgraded from A2 to A because it had been less than two years. They didn't mention having a CBT though, which I would have needed if I'd not had A2 and just got straight in at 24+
We don't have the 45mph restriction, 125's are only restricted by power output of around 15bhp or the official metric equivalent. This means they should be good for around 75mph. Or 90mph, depending on who you talk to.

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I think I'll just scoot about on the 125 for a couple of years, can't bring myself to pay another £175 for a CBT.


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PostPosted: 06:44 - 18 Jul 2016    Post subject: R Plates on Full Bike Licence Reply with quote

I'm a Driving Instructor, held car licence, HGV 1 etc etc for longer than I want to remember but only passed Bike test 3 weeks ago (Direct Access). So I'm now riding my Bandit 650 with Bloody R plates even though Im not restricted in any form at all. Pure stupidity on the part of DVLNI officials who make up the studpid rules. Plus had to make my own R plates as you cant buy them anywhere obvious for bikes.
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PostPosted: 08:33 - 18 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It certainly does sound a bit fluffy round the edges, a bit fuckin vague.

But ultimately it sounds like most riding schools will just tell you that you need it twice, to try to get you to stump up the extra, rather than explain that you could just do the extra years experience route. Quick income wrapped in the guise of "extra training".

Surely (only) one more day on the road for £175 is not worth it, because the extra time and reality of road-practice will stand you in much better stead.

But some people just want the whole package, all at once, hence Direct Access and other methods. I would personally think that 2 years experience is worth more than £175, so I'd just do the couple of years, unless the bug really bites. I pootled on CBT for 3 years in central London, before I got my full licence. It gave me a good grounding in getting used to that level of traffic/hysteria/general madness.
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PostPosted: 06:09 - 26 Aug 2016    Post subject: Re: R Plates on Full Bike Licence Reply with quote

Lucky245 wrote:
I'm a Driving Instructor, held car licence, HGV 1 etc etc for longer than I want to remember but only passed Bike test 3 weeks ago (Direct Access). So I'm now riding my Bandit 650 with Bloody R plates even though Im not restricted in any form at all. Pure stupidity on the part of DVLNI officials who make up the studpid rules. Plus had to make my own R plates as you cant buy them anywhere obvious for bikes.


It sounds to me that authorities are making it so difficult for anyone wanting a to ride motorcycles in the hope that they will drive a car.

How many tests does a car driver have to take before he can drive a Porsche or a Ferrari !! What does that tell you Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 07:05 - 26 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow...and I thought the UK had some silly test rules. Shocked

Good luck with it all anyway. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 30 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave70 wrote:
Wow...and I thought the UK had some silly test rules. Shocked

Good luck with it all anyway. Thumbs Up


Er ... Northern Ireland is part of the UK.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 30 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evil Hans wrote:
Dave70 wrote:
Wow...and I thought the UK had some silly test rules. Shocked

Good luck with it all anyway. Thumbs Up


Er ... Northern Ireland is part of the UK.

Not when it comes to vehicle licensing. They be well cray-cray.
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