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PostPosted: 09:13 - 01 Jul 2016    Post subject: 'Twas but Project Fear, one week later Reply with quote

Of course it is too early for concrete data about investment, output, inflation, GDP and employment - for now we can only look at the markets.

Also, in the last week nothing happened but a giant opinion poll. Article 50 was not invoked, negotiations have not started, there is even no credible declaration what anyone wants to achieve in the end.


On with the show, then.


GBP/USD is 7.68% down to 1.33. We already start seeing it at the petrol pumps.

GBP/EUR is 6.86% down to 1.20. This should be noticed before making any "weak Europe will bow to our upper hand and give us a trade deal made of win and sweetness" noises.

FTSE 100 is 2.62% up to 6504. There was no bank run and a general crash of multinationals - after a brief panic everyone realised that indeed nothing happened this week. The worrying bit is banks taking a beating (RBS.L down 31.5%), as it may harm tax revenue.

FTSE 250 is down 6.13% to 16721. This is sad. Consider the example of DFS.L (down 29.18%) - the outlook is that making soft things for people of Britain to sit on will soon stop being profitable. Brexit doesn't change the nature of human bottoms, so this leaves us with a prediction that the soft things will not be affordable.


Considering again that this is a reaction to just an opinion poll, it doesn't look good.
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PostPosted: 09:22 - 01 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other side, we have an increase of Brexit based threads.

I blame Gove. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 01 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm quite interested in your analysis of human bottoms. Tell me more....

Oh yes and Gove's mouth makes me think of a donkey's dilated bum hole everytime he opens it.

I think the bottom motif could define the whole referendum aftermath, talking out of/squeaky bum time etc.

Mind you, my theory has been weakened by the removal of two gigantic arseholes (Johnson & CMD) and a small annoying, low-hanging hemorrhoid (Corbyn).

Edited: atrocious, predictive spellmonging and abysmal proofreadership.
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 01 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pound is stupidly high and needs to go lower, already seeing better returns on my exports now

???

Profit

????

more tax for the black hole.
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 01 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh noes.

Falling interest rates and increasing inflation. What a horrifying prospect for someone with a 20 year mortgage.

Carry on. At this rate they'll be paying me.
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 01 Jul 2016    Post subject: Re: 'Twas but Project Fear, one week later Reply with quote

The Sterling correction is long overdue, and very welcome to anyone who cares about planting seeds for tomorrow rather than counting beans today.

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[Money money money money]

Careful now, the Labour party are in a pogromish mood.
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 01 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whats one up from an Armchair expert? because that's what I am I reckon. I work in financial data and have an interest in it (I've read Michael Lewis books) Laughing I don't use this data to make money I normalize it for clients, I understand what most of it actually means and relates to

Anyway the point I'm getting at it 99% of people do not understand this data well enough to obtain anything useful from it. It can be interpreted so many different ways. I feel I'm in the know enough to know how little I know. Which is a better level of understanding than most. Laughing

You can argue it in many ways

FTSE 100 is up YAY everything is good

BUT the pound is down, just because the pound is down doesn't necessarily mean the companies that make up the index are worth less in the global market. Therefore the share price rises.

The Pound is down it's the end of the world.

BUT the pound was artificially high on the expectation that we would remain and the dollar is doing really well at the moment. That combined with the volatility immediately after the referendum could mean this is a blip that will right itself.

I don't think you can trust anything in the markets to give you an accurate portrail of what is/will happen(ing) for a week or 2 yet. I'm slightly concerned as I was certain the pound would return to not far of what it was in the weeks before the referendum by next week. Now I'm not so sure.


Imagine the wet Assen GP race was the first race of the season, it's like using that to work out who will win the championship.

Even 'Proper' economists rarely agree/get it right.

There is a bit in The West Wing I think articulates it well.



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FRED
A two and a half percent in the third quarter at the end of the fiscal year.

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that economists were put on this planet to make astrologers look good.

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Luther. Ballpark. One year from today. Where's the Dow?

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Fred. One year from today.

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Not good. Down a thousand.

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Bottom line reading articles about the financial future of this country is like listening to to people who with no training in divination trying to read tea leaves.
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 01 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 12:40 - 01 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:

Imagine the wet Assen GP race was the first race of the season, it's like using that to work out who will win the championship.


cdlxxvi wrote:

Of course it is too early for concrete data about investment, output, inflation, GDP and employment - for now we can only look at the markets.


I merely pointed out a few facts about that one race. As real data will trickle in we will have more to discuss.
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 01 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdlxxvi wrote:
chris-red wrote:

Imagine the wet Assen GP race was the first race of the season, it's like using that to work out who will win the championship.


cdlxxvi wrote:

Of course it is too early for concrete data about investment, output, inflation, GDP and employment - for now we can only look at the markets.


I merely pointed out a few facts about that one race. As real data will trickle in we will have more to discuss.


Sorry wasn't specifically aimed at you more just the state of media both social and other wise in general.
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 01 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdlxxvi wrote:
As real data will trickle in we will have more to discuss.


As the possibility of Article 50 ever being invoked becomes less likely, with every passing day, I'm not sure what we'll be discussing!
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 01 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob Fzs wrote:
Pound is stupidly high and needs to go lower, already seeing better returns on my exports now

???

Profit

????

more tax for the black hole.

I don't understand that argument.

I work for a food manufacturer. Our purchasing team have had glum faces for the past few days.

Most ingredients are traded in dollars if not bought from the UK (and trust me - try growing cocoa beans for example in the UK).

I was told yesterday that we are looking at price inflation on key commodities of around 16/17% in July compared to June. We had been running at about 1% beforehand.

So, we export too, but our products are now costing 10% more expensive on average to produce. How does the pound dropping by 7% against the Euro help us out at all?

Secondly, exports only account for around 10% of our sales. So the man on brexit street certainly won't benefit.
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 01 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

JonB wrote:
price inflation on key commodities of around 16/17% in July compared to June.

The £ has bought about $1.43 for most of this year, peaking at $1.50 for a few days before the vote. Today it buys $1.33.

I'm sure your finance people have whizzy calculators, but my primitive computations make that about a 7.5% different rather than 16/17%.

Still, your calculation is more dramatic, and feelings are more important than facts.
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 01 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

JonB wrote:
Rob Fzs wrote:
Pound is stupidly high and needs to go lower, already seeing better returns on my exports now

???

Profit

????

more tax for the black hole.

I don't understand that argument.

I work for a food manufacturer. Our purchasing team have had glum faces for the past few days.

Most ingredients are traded in dollars if not bought from the UK (and trust me - try growing cocoa beans for example in the UK).

I was told yesterday that we are looking at price inflation on key commodities of around 16/17% in July compared to June. We had been running at about 1% beforehand.

So, we export too, but our products are now costing 10% more expensive on average to produce. How does the pound dropping by 7% against the Euro help us out at all?

Secondly, exports only account for around 10% of our sales. So the man on brexit street certainly won't benefit.


Hard luck, cut costs, that's what we've been doing for the last 24 months and now will reap the benefits, from what i've seen cocoa, soya are all on the way up, regardless of brexit because of a bad harvest, unless brexit causes bad weather anorl?
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 01 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tbh, We are all just a load of cxnts.

I voted out, as did most of my associates, but we never thought it would happen. It was a protest vote.

It didn't look good when Putin/Trump et al were signing our praises.

What's more ridiculousis I work for a German company and I do (did), have to visit.

FFS I was planning on buying my Euros at 1.45 last Friday . Now they're 1.19


Ultimately there was no plan for if and when they won. They never expected to.

Tbh, Cameron's a toff and a bit of a knob, but Gove is an absolute twxt.

I liked Borris.


As for Farage, turning up to say feck off. What a tool.

We've fecked this up big style.

Half my family is Irish in the farming industry and they aren't happy either. (Might not have helped, when I sent all the whatsapp messages saying Yipee we're going to be independent. Whereas they're thinking shxt what's going to happen to us).

I'm probably just panicking.
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PostPosted: 16:46 - 01 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

kawakid wrote:
Tbh, We are all just a load of cxnts.

I voted out, as did most of my associates, but we never thought it would happen. It was a protest vote.

It didn't look good when Putin/Trump et al were signing our praises.

What's more ridiculousis I work for a German company and I do (did), have to visit.

FFS I was planning on buying my Euros at 1.45 last Friday . Now they're 1.19


Ultimately there was no plan for if and when they won. They never expected to.

Tbh, Cameron's a toff and a bit of a knob, but Gove is an absolute twxt.

I liked Borris.


As for Farage, turning up to say feck off. What a tool.

We've fecked this up big style.

Half my family is Irish in the farming industry and they aren't happy either. (Might not have helped, when I sent all the whatsapp messages saying Yipee we're going to be independent. Whereas they're thinking shxt what's going to happen to us).

I'm probably just panicking.


Really? you voted out for a protest?

the irish are pissed because they won't be able to flood our market with their produce, at the expense of British farmers.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 01 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finally, a brexit plan.

https://thebrexitplan.com/
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 01 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 19:09 - 01 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

kawakid wrote:
I voted out, as did most of my associates, but we never thought it would happen. It was a protest vote.

Whatever you were protesting against? It's still extant.
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 01 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

kawakid wrote:

As for Farage, turning up to say feck off. What a tool.


Although in fairness, he's been saying this would happen for the last 30 years and has spent the whole time with the froggies and krauts jeering, ridiculing and biting their thumbs at him.

So from his point of view, it must have been irresistable to get up there and "I told you so." them all from space. I'm amazed the top of his head didn't fall off his grin was so wide. It's nice to see someone truly enjoying themselves in politics once in a while.
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The law is not of their side if they do bite their thumbs at him, sir.
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PostPosted: 01:06 - 02 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suntan Sid wrote:
cdlxxvi wrote:
As real data will trickle in we will have more to discuss.


As the possibility of Article 50 ever being invoked becomes less likely, with every passing day, I'm not sure what we'll be discussing!


Everything will be just great. Although because of the uncertainty nobody will invest or do a big deal here in the foreseeable future.

And nobody is spending any money, the comercial property trade has stopped long time ago, nobody in his right mind is sellng or buying properties and this will not change soon, and nobody is buying new cars. BoE has cuts growth forecasts.

What could go wrong? Do not listen to doom and gloom. Wait for more "real" data.
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PostPosted: 07:06 - 02 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
It's nice to see someone truly enjoying themselves in politics once in a while.


If you want to see the true enjoyment of Brexit, look at Vladimir Vladimirovich.
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