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Undinist
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 20 Jul 2016    Post subject: Fatima 1, Racists Nil Reply with quote
The most excellent Fatima Manji of C4 news just happened to be the presenter on duty when the Nice story broke. As usual she was wearing a hijab. Kelvin Mackenzie, writing in the Sun, complained https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1459893/why-did-channel-4-have-a-presenter-in-a-hijab-to-front-coverage-of-muslim-terror-in-nice/?CMP=spklr-_-Editorial-_-TWITTER-_-TheSunNewspaper-_-20160718-_-Opinion/Columnists-_-519046507

Fatima replied with a column in the Liverpool Echo. Sheer genius: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/fatima-manji-truth-kelvin-mackenzies-11635404

The New Statesman also had a good piece: https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2016/07/sun-struggles-understand-why-channel-4-news-reporter-fatima-manji-covered

Kelvin's getting quite a severe rapping of the knuckles: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36833471
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 20 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 20 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
They put her on there intentionally. It's just more of the same PC crap that most people except your local progressive revolutionary communists facist "anti-facists" are fed up with. Good to see that he is willing to call a spade a spade. I don't follow his argument completely though. He thinks it's inappropriate and disrespectful, where as I think it's more of a subtle statement by C4 about whose side they are on. TV contains two types of information:
1. The overt. What they are saying, what is written etc.
2. The subtle. Look at who is there, what do they look like? You'll notice that many of the programmes and adverts are very similar in the subtle themes they contain.

This time they just weren't quite subtle enough Wink

Also, Islam isn't a race, unless you are telling us all Muslims are brown? Wink
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 20 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have to agree with ^^^^^

It's a conscious decision by the news channel to use her.

The thing with all other news presenters is that I have no knowledge or interest what their religion is. If she didn't wear a hijab I wouldn't know or care what hers is but she HAS to wear one.

I'm sure her husband or father wouldn't let her be seen in public without one, therefore it is female oppression being encouraged by C4. Something illegal in our society.
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 20 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Polarbear wrote:
I have to agree with ^^^^^

It's a conscious decision by the news channel to use her.

The thing with all other news presenters is that I have no knowledge or interest what their religion is. If she didn't wear a hijab I wouldn't know or care what hers is but she HAS to wear one.

I'm sure her husband or father wouldn't let her be seen in public without one, therefore it is female oppression being encouraged by C4. Something illegal in our society.


It is. If she didn't have a Hijab, they wouldn't have used her. If they want to take the equality line then that's fine, but let's do it proportionally. 17% of the time a 'kipper needs to present the news on C4.

Here's another example. I can't think of any adverts where the husband humiliates the wife. However I can think of loads where the husband is humiliated by the wife, or where he is stupid and she comes up with all the clever ideas like buying their crappy product or service. They use mixed race couples a LOT on TV but this doesn't tend to occur when they use them for some reason. Naturally the women are all good looking and have big tits and the bloke (if white) looks like a metrosexual hipster.

InB4 Progressives: "Well what's wrong with that you racist/sexist/misogynist?". Nothing particularly, I just think it's funny how shpeople don't notice it even though its so continuously drummed into people through the media.

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PostPosted: 22:24 - 20 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think people are choosing to miss the point here by slating Ch4 for having a woman with a headscarf on the news. If it was deliberate, it was done to show that even though the nutter killed those people in the name of Allah, not all muslims are marginalised psycos. The question of how she dresses and whether she'd end up in a suitcase on Saddleworth Moor if she didn't wear the item is another topic altogether...
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PostPosted: 01:08 - 21 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Im-a-Ridah wrote:
TV contains two types of information:
1. The overt. What they are saying, what is written etc.
2. The subtle. Look at who is there, what do they look like? You'll notice that many of the programmes and adverts are very similar in the subtle themes they contain.


Polarbear wrote:
I have to agree with ^^^^^

It's a conscious decision by the news channel to use her.


I thought everyone was aware of this already?

You can't really see news publications as anything more than privately run magazines and TV shows.

It's sad and fascinating in equal measure to see how different organisations can word the same story to make it come across from a completely different angle while still being entirely true to the facts.
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 21 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Im-a-Ridah wrote:
They put her on there intentionally.


It wasn't intentional. Fatima and the management have both said that the scheduling was decided weeks ago. Besides, there are so many Islamic Terrorism stories that Fatima was bound to end up being in the studio for one of them sooner or later.
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 21 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Im-a-Ridah wrote:
If she didn't have a Hijab, they wouldn't have used her.


Utter nonsense. She's on C4 News because she's brilliant at her job. It's a very competitive arena, and C4 News is widely regarded as the best TV news programme. That's why it mops up awards. Other news programmes are so dumbed down they're an embarrassment.
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 21 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm fanboying Ridah a bit.

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Diggs had good input though, Udinist on the other hand... Just keep reading Thumbs Up
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Im-a-Ridah
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 21 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Undinist wrote:
Im-a-Ridah wrote:
If she didn't have a Hijab, they wouldn't have used her.


Utter nonsense. She's on C4 News because she's brilliant at her job. It's a very competitive arena, and C4 News is widely regarded as the best TV news programme. That's why it mops up awards. Other news programmes are so dumbed down they're an embarrassment.


Oh she is brilliant at her job, the question is, what is her job? Since she got the presenting slot after the terrorist attack, we can reasonably conclude that her job is to be a smiling Hijab of Jihad after terrorist attacks. Now if she was the nightly presenter then that wouldn't be the case. Thanks for helping prove our point Wink
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 21 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Your trolling is so weak. Take this drivel for example: "Since she got the presenting slot after the terrorist attack". That proves you're not even a C4 News viewer. (Not surprising really, you're hardly part of the target demographic. ) If you were a C4 News viewer you'd know what her job is and you'd appreciate that her career trajectory is typical for a member of the C4 News team.
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 22 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
mpd72 wrote:

If she's that brilliant, how come nobody had heard of her, before they wheeled her out in her Jihab to show Muslims are cool?


https://i.stack.imgur.com/jiFfM.jpg

You hadn't heard of her until she was mentioned in The Sun, which is pitched more at your level than C4 news. I wonder how many of their other presenters you could name...
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 22 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Channel 4 news is leftist Hysteria bullshit

Once you realise that, you will be able to accept, how they're preaching to the converted that some islamic bastard, murdered a load of people, yet here is another religious person who subscribes to that same pie in the sky bullshit, is moderate and has nothing to do with it.

YET..

whenever they mention brexit, leave voters have to somehow answer for the minority of people who racially abuse others, because of the leave vote, i know those who voted remain love this, but you can't have both, so either fucking behave or keep stirring a hornet's nest and then wonder why you keep getting stung.
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 22 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rob Fzs wrote:


YET..

whenever they mention brexit, leave voters have to somehow answer for the minority of people who racially abuse others, because of the leave vote,


Erm to be honest this kind of swings towards proving the point for the "not all Muslims" argument.

The media portrays all EU exit voters as idiots, yet you know full well that they aren't.

Well given that standpoint, it's rather obvious to equally accept that not all Muslims have anything to do in the slightest with the bollocks that people try to ascribe to the entire religion and culture.

https://www.facebook.com/ThisIsZinc/videos/505222899678381/?pnref=story

Maybe C4 were right to purposefully cast a Muslim woman as a reporter for the event in question, with full headgear (which she chose to wear in the same way plenty of blokes choose to wear a shirt and tie to 'fit in').

Anything to make people realise that it isn't the stark Islam vs World divide that many idiots seem to think it has become.
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 22 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lord Percy wrote:
Rob Fzs wrote:


YET..

whenever they mention brexit, leave voters have to somehow answer for the minority of people who racially abuse others, because of the leave vote,


Erm to be honest this kind of swings towards proving the point for the "not all Muslims" argument.

The media portrays all EU exit voters as idiots, yet you know full well that they aren't.

Well given that standpoint, it's rather obvious to equally accept that not all Muslims have anything to do in the slightest with the bollocks that people try to ascribe to the entire religion and culture.

https://www.facebook.com/ThisIsZinc/videos/505222899678381/?pnref=story

Maybe C4 were right to purposefully cast a Muslim woman as a reporter for the event in question, with full headgear (which she chose to wear in the same way plenty of blokes choose to wear a shirt and tie to 'fit in').

Anything to make people realise that it isn't the stark Islam vs World divide that many idiots seem to think it has become.


If they carry on with the all leavers are racists, they will carry on cultivating the soil for the right to slate all muslims, until they give over, trying to take some sort of moral high ground out of it, they will keep encouraging anger. simples

we all know that argument is bollocks, but when the same old shit, is repeated day in, day out, people are going to lose their rag.
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 22 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rob Fzs wrote:
If they carry on with the all leavers are racists, they will carry on cultivating the soil for the right to slate all muslims, until they give over, trying to take some sort of moral high ground out of it, they will keep encouraging anger. simples


So your complaint is that you're being tarred with the same brush as a segment who have racist views, while tarring an entire demographic with the same brush because of their faith?

You do, also, understand which of these events came first, right?
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 22 Jul 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
ScaredyCat wrote:
Rob Fzs wrote:
If they carry on with the all leavers are racists, they will carry on cultivating the soil for the right to slate all muslims, until they give over, trying to take some sort of moral high ground out of it, they will keep encouraging anger. simples


So your complaint is that you're being tarred with the same brush as a segment who have racist views, while tarring an entire demographic with the same brush because of their faith?

You do, also, understand which of these events came first, right?


I'm tarring the channel 4 news, and the rest, for shit stirring while taking the moral high ground, whilst doing the total opposite on another matter, both should be treated the same, simples.

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