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ScaredyCat
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 08 Aug 2016    Post subject: July 2016 Registration statistics Reply with quote
So while Roger wasn't looking...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/188253/_bcf/julystats2016.png

Betty Crocker, bit of a shocker - Honda are NOT #1

Biggest selling is the Yammy MT-10 it's getting much love.. kissy, kissy. Do want.

https://www.mcia.co.uk/Uploads/Statistics/Press-stats-for-July-2016.pdf

edit: forgot to add the link
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 08 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
MT10 OMG those are amazing figures.

Yamaha jump Honda, I'm sure that won't go unnoticed even if we are a small market.
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 08 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
They always used to release them on a Friday, I haven't resynced my periods yet.

That is a huge wow for Yamaha. More MT-10s than PCX125! Shocked

Good on them. Decent bikes at decent prices, they've earned it.

I wonder if Lexmoto are eating Honda's 125 sales. Thinking

A no show from Ducati - have we passed Peak Scrambler?
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 08 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
That is a huge wow for Yamaha. More MT-10s than PCX125! Shocked

Good on them. Decent bikes at decent prices, they've earned it.


Wow indeed Shocked

MT10 is the best bike ever good job from Yamaha Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 07:33 - 09 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Supersport: 125.
Adventure Sport: 125.

Many lols.
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PostPosted: 08:07 - 09 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
arry wrote:
Adventure Sport: 125.

Many lols.

Did Lexmoto classify their supermoto as an "adventure sport" just to mess with BMW? Thinking Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 09 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Do the manufacturers do the classifying? Serious question.
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 09 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
My understanding is that it's self categorisation. They could describe the Adrenaline as a tourer if they were feeling frisky.
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 09 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
The good news is that in a few years, there will be a fair few MT10's on the market. I will buy one 3 years old with low mileage. Can't afford new, so it's nice to know the bike I want is selling.
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 09 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pjay wrote:
The good news is that in a few years, there will be a fair few MT10's on the market. I will buy one 3 years old with low mileage. Can't afford new, so it's nice to know the bike I want is selling.


Depends I guess on whether something else comes out just as good that leaves the current buyers wanting something different.

Otherwise there might not be a lot of them on the market despite selling in volume, and as such demand for second hand will mean strong second hand pricing.
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 09 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
arry wrote:
Depends I guess on whether something else comes out just as good that leaves the current buyers wanting something different.

Otherwise there might not be a lot of them on the market despite selling in volume, and as such demand for second hand will mean strong second hand pricing.


And If my aunt had bollocks, she'd be my uncle.

High selling models always flood the used market. Always have, always will.
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 09 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Not necessarily cheaply though - look at the Street Triple.

But the point is well made: high sales of decent bikes is great news all round.
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 09 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oh I don't expect it to be cheap, just available.
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 09 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
arry wrote:
Do the manufacturers do the classifying? Serious question.


No, this comes up almost every single time.

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Adventure (including Supermoto)

These bikes are similar in style to enduro motorcycles but are predominantly designed and capable for on-road use. Often they will have features similar to machines included in the
Touring category e.g. fairings, luggage carrying capacity etc.

Custom

These machines include ‘cruisers’ and ‘choppers’. They have flat but typically feature high handlebars, low seat height and forward footrests. Body panels and fittings contain high
polished chrome content.

Moped

In law, a motorised two-wheeled vehicle with an engine capacity of less than 50cc and a maximum speed capability of 30mph, riders must be aged 16 years or over. Mopeds are
available in Motorcycle and Scooter styles.

Motorcycle

In law, a motorised two-wheeled vehicle that is not a moped, riders must be aged 17 years or over.

Tricycle

In law, a motorised three-wheeled vehicle.
Powered Two Wheelers
All types of two-wheeled motor vehicle, including Mopeds, Motorcycles and Scooters.

Sport/Touring

Machines that fit between Supersport and Touring bikes categories. Typical features include full or partial fairings and practical rider and pillion seating with low to medium ride
handlebars. Tend to have medium to large capacity engines.

Supersport

These machines are designed to mimic or directly replicate racing bikes. They normally have full fairings and low handlebars and are sometimes referred to as race replicas.

Scooters

Have an engine, as an integral part of the rear suspension or the chassis is a step-through type, irrespective of cc or wheel size. Includes all types of transmission.

Touring

Bikes generally have large engines and are designed for long-distance riding. Typical features include a more comfortable seating position for rider and pillion, luggage carrying
capability and weather protection, such as fairings with a fixed or adjustable windscreen.

Naked

Machines are built to a basic specification with no fairing (or only a small handlebar fairing) and an upright riding position. Engines are large to medium and often called retro.

Trail/Enduro

These bikes encompass trials, enduro and trail bikes with an off-road or cross-country capability.

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PostPosted: 13:01 - 09 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
Not necessarily cheaply though - look at the Street Triple.
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Was where I was going.
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 09 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
ScaredyCat wrote:
arry wrote:
Do the manufacturers do the classifying?

No

Yes, the MCIA provide descriptions, but who decides which bike goes where? The raw numbers are coming from the marques. My assumption (which may be backed by a 3rd hand internets anecdote that I can't recall right now) is that they also provide the category.

Why would the MCIA want to do that work, for every bike from every marque?
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 09 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
These reports are interesting, but is there any publication of the raw data so that we can ignore the questionably classified stuff? Turnover would also be a better way to rank the manufacturers.
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 09 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
A few things surprised me tbh,
Firstly 18geared 50's were sold, small but almost sizeable market in the sea of twist and go cheapo models.

Secondly the most selling off roader is a hard core snappy handful of two stroke big bore machinery. With all the nice mid size and ultra capable thumpers out there people are buying the savage strokers instead.

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PostPosted: 23:33 - 09 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alex A wrote:
is there any publication of the raw data

Pay monies. Sad
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PostPosted: 05:44 - 10 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
MT10 certainly looks like a winner. First time the Africa Twin's not been top for a few months IIRC?

Yamaha are still on a roll with their MT series.
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PostPosted: 07:02 - 10 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:

Yes, the MCIA provide descriptions, but who decides which bike goes where? The raw numbers are coming from the marques. My assumption (which may be backed by a 3rd hand internets anecdote that I can't recall right now) is that they also provide the category.

Why would the MCIA want to do that work, for every bike from every marque?


I was under the impression that MCIA took the raw bike figures and categorised them. It's not a lot of work really and they have a month to do it in. And once you've done it for a bike model, you don't have to do it again. It's not like there's a new bike out every week.



Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
MT10 certainly looks like a winner. First time the Africa Twin's not been top for a few months IIRC?


The AT hasn't made the cut since April. I was speaking to a guy at the local dealer who was fed up with his, sometimes it wouldn't start other times it'd cut out. The dealer had had it in 4 times to fault find it and couldn't find anything.

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
Yamaha are still on a roll with their MT series.


I think it's probably the way to go these days, platform bikes. Yamaha are getting 3 bikes out of each of the MTs. Well nearly, not sure I expect to see an MT10 Tracer.
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PostPosted: 07:07 - 10 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
ScaredyCat wrote:


The AT hasn't made the cut since April. I was speaking to a guy at the local dealer who was fed up with his, sometimes it wouldn't start other times it'd cut out. The dealer had had it in 4 times to fault find it and couldn't find anything.
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Conversely I bought my KTM from a Honda dealer - it'd come in for part ex against an Africa. The garage acts as a bit of a Hein Gericke style coffee house for bikers going out into the surrounding lanes. There were two guys there on AT's - one of them had pre ordered and took delivery at launch (mad fool). He'd done 6,000 totally trouble free miles and was loving it.

I know it's not a lot of miles but there are people out there buying and enjoying them hassle free, as well as the ones who inevitably have problems.
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PostPosted: 07:10 - 10 Aug 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
arry wrote:

there are people out there buying and enjoying them hassle free, as well as the ones who inevitably have problems.


Oh I agree, but people with problems on their bike shout louder on t'internet - and there are a few examples.
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