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 csn Derestricted Danger

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 Posted: 14:14 - 21 Sep 2016 Post subject: LightMode - Electroluminescent (EL) kit |
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Hello, has anyone tried, or does someone use EL kit on the helmet or bike?
Like on this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbj0T_2ttRI
Is it worth to buy something like that for more visibility/safety? ____________________ Just love bikes  |
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 csn Derestricted Danger

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Thanks Shinigami, I just saw it online and thought it could be interesting, but I'll try to see on eBay.
Maybe it'll be handy to go riding in the night or if I have a really early or late shift.  ____________________ Just love bikes  |
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I wear a Shark evo flip, that's supposed to light up like that apparently..
Old tech Phosphorescent, charges up under UV then glows in the dark... allegedly!
Had to check the 'manual' to find out of it was true, though, 'cos I never saw it; and only discovered the 'feature' when I bumped into some-one else with one who asked if I'd ever seen mine light up... 'cos he'd never seen his do it either! Lol.
EL wire? Now that might actually stand a chance of lighting up.....
My daughter, for a school photography project got an ELWire kit of e-bay to stage some 'light painting' pictures, which got me 'thinking'..... Lots of daft notions of how to use the stuff on a motorbike; using it to wire up indies or tail lamp, or bedding it into lacquer on the tank to make 'light up' pinstriping.... a little 'messing' though didn't suggest pleasant or even successful results would be all that easy, and that EL-Paint, as they use on car dash-panels so the numbers light up, would probably be the more likely to 'work', but, even more demanding to do.
BUT, revolves back to the question 'why'?
For Tron-cool custom effect, there's potential, BUT, all it is ever going to be is Tron-cool custom effect, and whether it works or not will ultimately be down to how well its executed and whether you can avoid it looking 'tacky'.
For conspicuity? Well, I suppose anything is better than nothing, but if Batenburg Bimmers with flashing blue lights on a pole can get SMIDSY'd? The 'odds' aren't going to be much improved by much at all really are they? so is it really worth the effort, and could you get as much added 'conspicuity' far more easily, and far more reliably from something more basic like fork-leg running lights, or side markers, or auxiliary tail lamps.
Lighting up the helmet, is something of a double edged sword, I think; first potential 'advantage' is that it 'may' side-step 'vehicle' lighting regulations, if the light-source isn't permanently attached or powered by the vehicle, but I say 'may' as wordings don't say that, and for example state it's an offence to show red-light at the front of the vehicle... as rider, if you wore a push-bike tail light on your hat and did a shoulder check, so red-lamp on hat shone forwards, you'd still be showing red-light 'ahead'.. so could be deemed in contravention....
That 'mobility' though; giving light movement with your head, will add to conspicuity, but conspicuity is only part of the story; you want other drivers to see, then take note of what they see, THEN take apropriate action for what you have shown them. JUST getting thier attension isn't enough; and if they see 'colourful' lights, they wont necesserily give it any more attension than they would a kid on the pavement in flashy trainers or playing with a toy.
One of the self-defeating 'problems' of conspicuity 'aids'... you grab attention, BUT, without any 'iconic' association to tell who-ever's attention you have grabbed 'instantly' what they are looking at; they will even more readily dismiss it as 'not important'.
So actually, idea that added conspicuity 'cant hurt' might not be so true.
Bottom line is, no I haven't tried it; as far as safety goes, I think there's an awful lot of areas that can do far more to improve my survival odds than mucking about with lamps. While for 'style'.. the futuristic tron-esque fantacy style, is something that's been done, its not so 'novel' and risks a lot of 'cheese' for the aesthetic results likely. either way, lots more 'useful' ways to waste my time or money. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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 Posted: 17:02 - 21 Sep 2016 Post subject: Re: LightMode - Electroluminescent (EL) kit |
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If it helps pull the chicks then I'm in.
Apart from that it's a wee bit ghey. ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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Looks a lot light 'showing a white light to the rear of a vehicle' to me. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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| csn wrote: | As said previously, you would have to see which colours are allowed. |
You are not the vehicle, so strictly speaking, you should be able to show anything you like, including strobing red and blue.
However, I very much doubt that Dibble would see it that way.  ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Shinigami I'm not a helmet expert, the last one High-Tech I saw was one with a camera on the back and a little LCD on the visor to work like the rear-view mirror in cars.
About the colours and and shapes, you can do as you wish...everyone has their taste
I'll try to search the Shark helmets, but for start I'm thinking of buying a simple full-face or a flip-up one. ____________________ Just love bikes  |
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| csn wrote: | Shinigami I'm not a helmet expert, the last one High-Tech I saw was one with a camera on the back and a little LCD on the visor to work like the rear-view mirror in cars. |
That's an intreguing notion, actually.. action Cams.... If they are on your hat, pointing forwards... preview screen on the back... lit up... that could be contravention of C&U Lighting regs displaying white-light to the rear, couldn't it?
Usually the screens turn off to 'power-save' after a few seconds, but, I know one I have the screen comes back on at intervals when it 'cashes' so many minutes of footage and stuff....
Few occassions I've used mine, it's been mounted on the front brake reservoir not my hat, so I suppose I 'sheild' any light from it to the rear... BUT makes me wonder....
What about all the electronic gizmos's vehicles are being festooned with these days? Sat-Nav's, Dash-Cams, I-Phones, DVD Players in the head-rests for the kids?
Always find it amusing, on the motorway, seeing cars with screen-mounted Sat-Navs, sitting in the middle lane; the sat-nav lighting up the cars cabin, so I can actually watch, bemused driver, looking frantically at the thing wondering why it's not told them to do anything for twenty minutes, their pained expression perfectly illuminated by the widget on the window!
So much ilumination these days, such a cacophony of light, every where we look..... whether it's in contravention of C&U Lighting regs or not..... Maybe greater 'conspicuity' is to be found in NOT lighting ourselves up like a christmas tree, and blending in, in perfect camouflage, with the confusion of neon advertising, signage, and gadgets we are surrounded by? ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: | | csn wrote: | Shinigami I'm not a helmet expert, the last one High-Tech I saw was one with a camera on the back and a little LCD on the visor to work like the rear-view mirror in cars. |
That's an intreguing notion, actually.. action Cams.... If they are on your hat, pointing forwards... preview screen on the back... lit up... that could be contravention of C&U Lighting regs displaying white-light to the rear, couldn't it?
Usually the screens turn off to 'power-save' after a few seconds, but, I know one I have the screen comes back on at intervals when it 'cashes' so many minutes of footage and stuff....
Few occassions I've used mine, it's been mounted on the front brake reservoir not my hat, so I suppose I 'sheild' any light from it to the rear... BUT makes me wonder....
What about all the electronic gizmos's vehicles are being festooned with these days? Sat-Nav's, Dash-Cams, I-Phones, DVD Players in the head-rests for the kids?
Always find it amusing, on the motorway, seeing cars with screen-mounted Sat-Navs, sitting in the middle lane; the sat-nav lighting up the cars cabin, so I can actually watch, bemused driver, looking frantically at the thing wondering why it's not told them to do anything for twenty minutes, their pained expression perfectly illuminated by the widget on the window!
So much ilumination these days, such a cacophony of light, every where we look..... whether it's in contravention of C&U Lighting regs or not..... Maybe greater 'conspicuity' is to be found in NOT lighting ourselves up like a christmas tree, and blending in, in perfect camouflage, with the confusion of neon advertising, signage, and gadgets we are surrounded by? |
The backlight on my drift is green and has no rear pointing lights so depends on the make/model i suppose ____________________ Current: Honda City Fly CLR125 2003 Honda CB600F Hornet 2008 Yamaha FZ6 S2 + 1991 Kawasaki GPZ500
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| ScaredyCat wrote: | | Teflon-Mike wrote: |
That's an intreguing notion, actually.. action Cams.... If they are on your hat, pointing forwards... preview screen on the back... lit up... that could be contravention of C&U Lighting regs displaying white-light to the rear, couldn't it?
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No, because as Rogerborg has already said, the rider is not part of the vehicle. Lighting regs apply to the vehicle, not the rider. |
Sorry, for maybe a stupid question, for what I understood, the action cam in the handlebar is not considered part of the vehicle, probably because you can take it off easily....
So, if install the EL kit on the bike connected to the battery I'd have to see the lighting regs, because it would be part of the bike, right? ____________________ Just love bikes  |
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