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PostPosted: 11:50 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Winter Riding Gear Reply with quote

Hi guys,

With Winter on its way, I want to be well prepared for when it does. Unfortunately, I don't have enough money to spooge in one go, so I'll be using the Autumn months to build up a winterproof collection.

I ride a Kawasaki ER5, so I have no fairings or anything. I work in an office, so wear a shirt and trousers.
At the moment, I wear a leather Triumph jacket (£40 bargain from Gumtree,) some armoured Goretex trousers over the top of my work trousers and although I do have motorbike boots, they really mess up my work trousers, so I wear big thick hiking boots - not ideal. I have some proper ankle boots in mind, just need the cash to buy them.

Bar muffs are definitely on my list. I'm going to get some of the Oxford ones on payday. I was thinking of getting some hand guards too as I've read that muffs can affect how easy it is to reach the levers (or will press it down slightly due to wind.)

I have a feeling though that I am going to still be freezing my nads off.
I do have a pair of kinda long johns used for camping. So I'll be trying them out under my work trousers to see if that helps.
I'm a big guy, so I really don't want to wear a one-piece suit. I'll end up looking like Nacho Libre.

What would you recommend for riding through winter given my situation?
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my experience absolutely everything specifically made for winter motorcycle riding is crap. You have to get creative. Back when I was a courier and for instance had to spend ten hours a day in the sleet and rain the only gear I ever found that worked was army gear and steel toe wellies. Being warm is not so hard to do, but you HAVE to be waterproof or you'll die.
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a good idea. There's an army surplus shop about a mile away. I might go check it out.
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw a Deliveroo pedboi chimp in Nottingham the other week who had fashioned some waterproof riding muffs out of two empty bread bags. +1 for creativity, +5 for recycling, - 1,000 for looking like a fucking cunt.
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once you get wet it's game over. I'd look out for water proofs you can put over your gear Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Tucano Urbano bar muffs have a plastic reinforcement bar at the front so they hold their shape, I'd get them over the Oxfords as the Oxfords don't look as well designed.

I ride 80 miles a day on my commute all year and will wear thermal long johns in the winter under my armoured trousers, if it's really cold then waterproof trousers over the top as they will help keep the wind chill down too.

Cheap waterproof gear can be picked up cheap too, I keep a pair of army gore Tex over trousers in one of my panniers and they can be picked up on eBay for £12-15, and you can pick up ex police/army gore Tex waterproof jackets for under £50 too.

I have since bought a lot of decent bike gear now but you can get cheap stuff online to make do, but as has been said already keeping dry is key so concentrate on that first and foremost.
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be wise for you to look for options of changing at work.
Whether you leave your suit there or carry it every day is up to you but when it gets real cold something thicker than suit trousers would be beneficial.

As already mentioned, water-proof is 'A+' important.
Windproof is 'A' Important as well.
Have a look on the Bay of Es, Discount sports shops, machine Mart type places, Makros and even supermarket clothing sections (inc Lidl/Aldi) for things like waterproof socks, windproof long johns/base layers. They may be marked for cycling, Ski-wear, outside work-wear or pretty much anything, especially military.
As mentioned, Army surplus is a strong option for you.
Do get a wind/waterproof neck bib as cold water dribbling down your back is quite distracting. Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Re: Winter Riding Gear Reply with quote

MahatmaAndhi wrote:

I ride a Kawasaki ER5, so I have no fairings or anything. I work in an office, so wear a shirt and trousers.
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I have a feeling though that I am going to still be freezing my nads off.
I do have a pair of kinda long johns used for camping. So I'll be trying them out under my work trousers to see if that helps.
I'm a big guy, so I really don't want to wear a one-piece suit. I'll end up looking like Nacho Libre.

What would you recommend for riding through winter given my situation?


Leg cover is the muffs equivalent for the lower part of your body. Problem solved:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KAWASAKI-ER-5-500-2001-2006-LEG-COVER-APRONS-UNIVERSAL-FOR-MOTO-OJ-BLACK-RAIN-/291886541873?hash=item43f5cb2c31:g:Md4AAOSwCGVX5obX

Layers are the key for winter riding. Under your jacket one or two layers of £8 ski termo base layers - you will be boiling hot. Although with the leg covers you do not need legs termo layers at all. Just for the upper body.

https://www.surfanic.co.uk/mens-bruck-zip-neck-black-swa-124661/?gclid=CjwKEAjw652_BRDfkebVrdOGkDISJAD0Q2RuOBC1GPu_9gN2b3w6vFLxkQbjkvDu1CWXRl4Tjy7jeBoCJR_w_wcB

https://www.sportsdirect.com/skiing/ski-thermals-and-base-layer

All above for the cold. The cover fixes waterproof for the legs too. You need something for your upper body - the cheapest option is carry waterproof motorcycle over jacket and use it only when needed like:

https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_prod/244260?r=GS&gclid=CjwKEAjw652_BRDfkebVrdOGkDISJAD0Q2RuwUwvKaCViK3wmLopIAtcxnY5Zl7fMzWKTu-rCxgo2BoCDF3w_wcB

Leather is not a good option for winter. Although with few layers your Triumph jacket will be fine. Just add the waterproof motorcycle over jacket and you will be fine.

Leg cover: £30-£70
Two ski base layers: £10
Oxford waterproof motorcycle over jacket: £26

For about £80 you will be fine.
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Re: Winter Riding Gear Reply with quote

First things first; ACF-50 and clean bike as soon as.. I'm sure we've been over this so may be irrelevant.

MahatmaAndhi wrote:
I ride a Kawasaki ER5, so I have no fairings or anything. I work in an office, so wear a shirt and trousers.
At the moment, I wear a leather Triumph jacket (£40 bargain from Gumtree,) some armoured Goretex trousers over the top of my work trousers and although I do have motorbike boots, they really mess up my work trousers, so I wear big thick hiking boots - not ideal. I have some proper ankle boots in mind, just need the cash to buy them.


If you're worried about work gear then iron at home and put in tailbag ready for commute and get dressed at either end, the real answer as I've said before elsewhere given that I work in smart trousers but don't really have to look presentable to the queen is give up caring because you're never going to win, you ride a bike and that's it deal with the faff or find elsewhere methods of commuting. Not to sound harsh but is the truth in my view.

Hoodie/Jumper under the jacket and a waterproof coat over it, that is unless the jacket already has a built in thermal layer. Base layer top as well if you're going to put work clothes in a tailbag. Alternative would be to get a cheap textile jacket. I'd go with the cheapest option first and see how far you can get before you need alternative gear. RST Blade served me well last winter with nothing but cotton shirt underneath and wasn't cold one bit. Importantly make sure you can zip bottoms and jacket together.

Soak it up and put the boots on for two-three months, rather proper gear and arrive dry and warm in the feet than otherwise, built for purpose and all and then swap out post winter to whatever.

MahatmaAndhi wrote:
Bar muffs are definitely on my list. I'm going to get some of the Oxford ones on payday. I was thinking of getting some hand guards too as I've read that muffs can affect how easy it is to reach the levers (or will press it down slightly due to wind.)


Have a look on eBay before you spunk £30 because both second hand cheaper sales of the same product and alternative cheaper options are available. Everyone's set up is different and I've managed thus far on naked bike with no heated grips, hand guards or muffs, sure my hands have gotten cold so I've gone for a cheapo inner glove and see how far that all get me this time round before I look elsewhere. Cheap heated grips are available on eBay for sub £10.

MahatmaAndhi wrote:
I have a feeling though that I am going to still be freezing my nads off.

What would you recommend for riding through winter given my situation?


First winters always a learning curve. Have the funds to pick up bits as you need them and you'll be fine.

Boots I've never had an issue with. Set of decent textiles with thermal layer has always kept me warm (RST) and helmet with a pinlock is a must. Balaclava may also help, I recommend Forcefield but I'm sure they all do the same thing.

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Your ER5 have a drum or disc? Keep an eye on if drum because winter loves to attack, gunk and seize them up. Well, my rear drum anyway I'd assume it's a universal rule of thumb given simple design.

Keep on top of cleaning and lubing chain. Daily checks of the pressures in tyres.

ER5 is carbed, right? Expect much slower warm up times and more standing around and waiting to get going.

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Take the weather as it comes and only ride in conditions that you feel comfortable with.

Winters not all that bad as it's about the only time of the year that I manage to unlock, load up, warm up and ride away before my work colleges in their cars do. Nothing more satisfying than wiping the clocks and mirrors meanwhile they stand around like lost souls trying to defrost their windscreen, every year I tell them.. nothing changes. Oh, on that note, expect car drivers with small holes in fully frosted windscreens because couldn't be arsed to wait and in a rush, will happen.

Stay warm and focused and you'll be alright. Moment you get cold or wet it will go downhill quickly and wont get any better.

Enjoy.
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Long journey freezing cold and dry I use salopettes over leathers and thermal long johns.

On top it's thermal base layer x2. A long sleeved top that has windproof panels on the chest and front of sleeves. Leather jacket/Textile jacket and padded bodywarmer.

Woolen socks and goretex oversocks.
Goretex Touring boots.

All in 1 rainsuit.

Thermal glove liner. A*365 gloves.
Urbano Muffs.

[edit] How could I forget the freebie neck tubes. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Re: Winter Riding Gear Reply with quote

MahatmaAndhi wrote:
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Nope. Tucano are the boss at this. Muffs + Gaucho invalid blanket.

Neck tube, I'd go something like this: https://www.jsaccessories.co.uk/buy/Frank-Thomas-Ant123-Body-Shield/8190.htm
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 26 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I commute all year round, my work clothes live in my office drawer being brought folded neatly in a bag and taken home for washing as required.

under my bike gear i wear a baselayer, t shirt, jumper etc, on my legs I wear cycling leggings under my bike trousers (I wear textiles with thermal layers in)

I've recently been sold a halversons jacket and Jofama trousers which I'm told are the bees knees in winter / all year riding gear (jofama being their entry brand)
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 26 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aldi are having another sale on Thursday 29th Sept for Cycling gear.
So Stuff like Merino Wool base layers/socks.
It's worth a look.
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 26 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fuck loads of layers. I've commuted at -5C and even with a tshirt, shirt, lightweight sweater, winter jacket liner and heavyweight Dainese winter jacket it still tweaked the old nipples a tad.

Protecting the extremities is foremost in my opinion. Once the nip gets into your fingertips or toes you're fucked. Keep those layered up and warm and the rest follows.
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 26 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpineandy wrote:
Aldi are having another sale on Thursday 29th Sept for Cycling gear.
So Stuff like Merino Wool base layers/socks.
It's worth a look.


Worth mentioning that you can order their special offer stuff on the website as well, with free delivery. Only downside is that it's those fucktards Yodel who deliver it, but they did surprisingly well with the V-shaped pillow I ordered last week and it means you're not relying on what you want being available in your local store.
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 26 Sep 2016    Post subject: Re: Winter Riding Gear Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Nope. Tucano are the boss at this (muffs).


I was thinking about looking out for some Oxford ones second hand, are they that bad that they aren't worth it all together or is it a case of buying new Oxford are OK but Tucano are better? Anything bad to report about Oxford.

£37 or thereabouts seems steep to try something I could get for maybe half that and may not like because not everyone gets on with mitts or works on their bike.

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In relation to the above layering up debate I've never felt the need to.

In all the conditions I rode in during last winter the RST Blade's thermal layer (both jacket and trouser) was enough to keep me warm and cause no issues, at all, I'd have no trouble recommended them both as a cheap set of textiles to do the workhorse job of commuting. The trousers did leak during a heavy downpour some months ago around the crotch so I replaced the trousers and got a new jacket on a special deal while I was at it because had the monies. In truth the bottoms probably leaked because standing water on seat around crotch, first time it had happened and I'd have confidence that combined with a pair of waterproof over trousers problem would have been solved and ready for another winter, I'm just a gear hoarder hence new set. Less than £12.34 for RST waterproof trousers? Cheap fix if and when they show signs of giving up life.
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 26 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the responses so far guys. Some really handy info and ideas which I hadn't considered.
I got a few bits from Aldi in the Spring. I'll be heading to the local one on Thursday!
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PostPosted: 00:42 - 27 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 for Ski\Snowboard gear. Its good when it's in the 0°c range over your leathers, tracksuit bottoms, long johns ect...just Baggy as hell.

Gortex\waterproof socks, over regular socks.

I'm considering getting some waterproof overgloves. Tried muffs but found them a pain in the rain (trying to get your hand back into the muff Wink
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PostPosted: 00:57 - 27 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last winter, I did a bit of bike commuting, and my formula was 2-piece leathers and a 70L+ rucksack (which appears quite small when there's little in it). Reaching my workplace(s), I put the trousers, gloves and boots in the rucksack, and carried the jacket and helmet in separately. It was necessary to spray the leathers with waterproofing stuff (you get this from shoe shops). It really works, and you need it if you want to go with leathers. So, riding in to work, I wore my (treated) leathers and was wearing trousers and a shirt and tie under the leathers. Inside the backpack, I kept my blazer, my work ID, my lunch and my nice shoes.

If you choose this portable formula, take note that although it works, its weak spot is cold legs syndrome, so you might want to consider long johns. Cold legs can make things really unpleasant during winter. Also, there is a certain time you have to spend getting changed when and where you park.

There is another neat trick: wear a scarf. If your neck is warm, you are warm.
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 27 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

my winter gear is as below

£70 - textile jacket from aldi
Winter gloves (or close to), currently rst paragon v gloves (£50?)
"texspeed" waterproof armoured trousers = £35


does me well, don't use any fancy warming gadgets and not had any particular issues, anything more than this and you just need to man up Thumbs Up

forgot to add wear a 'buff' thing around your neck/jaw. I actually wear these year round as they make it easier to get my lid over my ears properly and i get a seriously painful jaw otherwise, these keep your jaw warm surprisingly well for such thin material
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 28 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shinigami wrote:
my winter gear is as below

£70 - textile jacket from aldi
Winter gloves (or close to), currently rst paragon v gloves (£50?)
"texspeed" waterproof armoured trousers = £35


does me well, don't use any fancy warming gadgets and not had any particular issues, anything more than this and you just need to man up
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forgot to add wear a 'buff' thing around your neck/jaw. I actually wear these year round as they make it easier to get my lid over my ears properly and i get a seriously painful jaw otherwise, these keep your jaw warm surprisingly well for such thin material


You clearly don't ride 80 miles a day year round, 60 miles of it at motorway speeds then....
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PostPosted: 07:13 - 29 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 on the army stuff, but the key word is Goretex if you can get it for a good price. I have an army surplus Goretex waterproof coat that is big enough to go over anything, had it years and it's never let me down even in sustained downpours at speed. Something else I started using is boot covers; waterproof things with proper soles on them that zip over your boots. They're elasticated and strapped so they stay still and work a treat. Make you look a bit silly but hey-ho. They're one of the only Oxford products I've used that's any good (the Oxford 'waterproof' boots themselves however, not so good...). The over trousers I use I originally had from work, basic waterproof over-trousers that are bone dry. My gloves are Goretex Bering and they're brilliant, but you can get waterproof glove covers much like the boot things I mentioned if you don't want to splash out (only £60 those gloves mind you), although I wasn't fussed on the restriction of finger dexterity they may result in.


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PostPosted: 07:41 - 29 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Layers layers layers.

Winter gloves for me are a size bigger then my summer ones with a pair of thin silk under gloves worn separately underneath them.

Moisture wicking thin socks with thicker merino wool socks over the top.

Good quality thermal base layers top and bottom - keeps moisture under control and keeps the heat in. A warm core keeps the extremities warm for longer.

Thick Balaclava (not much hair left) neck thing under the lid - tucks in well below the jacket collar. Keeps the cold out and also bugs and stuff out - anyone that has had a wasp disappear down their jacket / smack into their bare neck will not be in a rush to repeat the experience.

That stood me well back in March/April 2015 when it was well into the minus figures before adding 70mph of windchill. A warm dry biker is a happy biker Smile
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PostPosted: 08:28 - 29 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I go for many layers - however and NB relatively baggy layers. I'm not convinced by all these close fitting base layer thingys. Looser fitting layers may be bulkier - but they definitely make for warmer riding. My Spada trousers and jacket are quite generous so come winter I can fit a fair amount of layers underneath. Then, on top, I put a cheap ass quilt lined hi-viz coat - a bin man special - off ebay for about a tenner tops. Three winters later its fluorescence has been seriously fucked by oil fling, shite from green laning and spatters of turd from urban crap etc. So it looks "better" than it used to. NB I don't have suggestions for wet riding cos I don't do it very much - but my gear stands up to it, pretty much, except for the gloves. One last thing - work on keeping your core temperature up and your extremities won't be far behind.
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 29 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

my waterproof hi viz jacket has never leaked yet

in fact the one I used at the track was that good I tend to stand in a field in the rain for about 8 hours some weeks I bought one especially for use on the bike

it is warm and dry and people think you are a copper on a bike so tend to notice you a bit more Laughing
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