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Offroad riding? Even though you're typically riding slower because of the proximity of the bushes and sharp objects it feels quite fast. ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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As someone who has had 3 bans, the last a 3yr one...
Switch to something slower, saner. Find a different riding style, different bike.
For me, this was no more Supermoto's (back wheel everywhere), Supersports (ton plus everywhere) or drag bikes with plates on (back wheel, ton plus everywhere). I'm looking at an XJR1300 for the next bike, enough poke to be fun, but the upright position doesn't make me instinctively want to cane it like a superbike, and it's not high up like a supermoto so no instinctive back wheel antics.
Going back to a 125 is a fucking ballache of immense proportions, and frustrating as all hell |
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Go for a sit-up naked bike ... either you end up with neck/shoulder muscles like a gorilla or you do keep it under the ton.
Open face helmet helps too - even quite small insects and grit particles sting much over 80.  ____________________ GP-100 -> CB250RS -> CBX550F2 (pause) KR1S -> RD350YPVS -> ZX6-R (pause) CD200 ->Mash 400 -> T100 (current) & (R1100RT scrapped pile o' shite) (CB250 Nighthawk - SORN in shed) Meteor 350 (current) |
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What help were you expecting from a 150+ bhp bike?  |
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Sounds like time for an older 'classic'. You'll spend more time fettling it than you will riding, plus you won't want to thrash the knackers for fear of bits dropping off. Probably more fun to ride than a modern sportsbike too, in a 'less is more' kind of way... ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
Gone (in order of ownership) - Raleigh Runabout, AP50, KH125, GP125, KH250, CBX550, Z400, CB750FII, 250LC, GS550, ZXR750H1, Guzzi Targa, GSX750F, KH250 x2, Bimota SB6R and counting... |
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| bcfricharde wrote: | I've identified the situation I'm in and I'm seeking guidance on how to mitigate the probability of either of those situations occurring.
I'd therefore counter that there is indeed hope.
Thanks to those who've taken the time to post advice.
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You're me, 10+ years ago. For me, speed was heroin. It was like an addiction and I remember the smell of fear in my own sweat. Don't know what you could do but I did a few things:
1. Went to one of those Bikesafe things. At the end, they brought out the coppers who talked us through dead bikers. It was pretty good although during the ride one of the coppers pushed me up against a wall. I'd toned my riding down by 25% but even so, it was enough for him to go absolutely apeshit in a hand basket. If you go to the Ace Cafe, ask them who the worst they've ever had was. It was me but I learned from it.
2. Chopped in the blade for something slower but would set me alight in other ways. A hornet could be thrown around all the time and was so much fun.
3. Pride: I needed to always have 'the best' and recognised that other styles of bikes could be the 'best' in different ways. I ride a Triumph 1050 Sprint ST now and it has absolutely rekindled my love of motorbikes. It's raw, visceral and although nowhere near as fast as my blades, it has beautiful handling and makes me want to ride every day.
BMWs make amazing tourers, muscle bikes are amazing etc...
Good luck. If I hadn't slowed down, I'd have been dead or worse and know what you're going through so wish you all the best. It's harder than kicking heroin. Hell, heroin was a doddle. ____________________ FZR400 (blown engine), ZXR750 (blown engine), ZX6R (accident), CBR600 which had engine issues after which I learned to change gear..., CBR900, CBR924 (stolen), CB600, CB1300 (everything blew up), BMW K1300GT (written off, hit from rear while stationary), Bandit 1250 for a couple of months, Triumph Sprint ST 1050 (nicked) and somewhere in there, I wrote off a Ducati 748 at Cadwell.
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| bcfricharde wrote: | I disagree. I've identified the situation I'm in and I'm seeking guidance on how to mitigate the probability of either of those situations occurring. |
You know the problem; you know the answer; so what do you expect us to tell you? what do you hope to find?
Its your own lack of self control that's the issue; so there's bog all we can do to help you mitigate it!
What you are looking for on the road, though, thrills exitement, competition and challenge, is NOT what public roads are for; yet you still seek it.....
Track-Days? well, high-speed thrills without the risks, and also without the 'competition'.. just great expense...
Real 'racing' with actual competitors to challenge your game would seem to be what you are looking for on the road....
And where track-days are deemed 'expensive'... which is all relative I know, but.. last one i was invited on was £125 I think... for about four-hours of track time... its not all THAT extortionate... certainly compared to a speeding ticket! Whilst a dedicated track-bike, not demanding road insurance tax or MOT, can offer some significant 'savings' to make one possibly cheaper per saddle hour than a leisure use road bike.. but still...
Presumption that trackdays are too expensive, begs further presumption that club Road-Racing is bound to be even more so, and offer evebn less saddle time for it; whilst being more hassle to comply with added regulations....
That is presumption laded on presumption... likely there's truth behind it; BUT... always been plenty of budget classes in the clubbies, that can be affordeable, like the old Singles series, or Bantam/MZ racing, or the more recent minitwins....
I would hazard that cost of buying something like an old Honda CB500, that's been fettled for mini-twins, and running an entire club-calendar on the thing, 'all in' could work out not a lot different to paying the road-costs of keeping a Sports-600 in the garage and doing limited highrisk road miles on the thing.
But.. I dont 'know' its merely an alternative 'presumption'.... what I do know is that there are an awful lot of different disciplines of bike-sport, and that Road-Racing tends to be one of the most expensive....
Though, that said, a club race is likely to give you a couple of 15 lap heats, Drag Racing perhaps three 1/4 mile 'runs', which could make it significantly worse 'per saddle hour'... but still.
Off-Road has been mentioned; MX & Enduro are still reasonably affordable to get into for propper 'racing'.... and has that speed and genuine competition challenge. There's also kart-track mini bike and pit-bikes.
Personally, I did trials. Have done since a school-boy; so when marriage curtailed my road-biking opportunities, and made costs of keeping 1000cc road-bike T&T'd to have an argument I wanted to go to do a meet with the Lads on a week-end, gauling, I got a bit more seriouse about the trials-bike.
Costs pennies to do, it really does. No medical is required or other major hassles to get set up; You need a bike; a way of hauling it to events... and they are conveniently light enough you can use a bumper-rack, on the back of even a small hatch-back for most; To get your ACU 'Trials' Licence you need join a club and send of a form, and that's usually less than £30; entry fees are then typically around £10 a pop. Add some fuel, and a 20bhp rock-hoppa dont burn much; you can do an event, for probably less than £30 including the petrol to get there!
Spoucal approval was (notionally) attained on the basis that event started at 10am on a Sunday morning and I'd be home for lunch; I'd be out for less time than taking the long way home from work a couple of nights on the road bike.... A-N-D i could ride an entire 12 even 'season' for less money than the insurance on the road-bike....
Its not high-speed adrenaline & testosterone charged 'competition'; elbowing your way through the pack out the trap of a race; its a much more pedestrian mental challenge, you and the course, picking your line, holding your nerve and your balence to get through all the gates without picking up penalties.....
If you want to find that 'change' its a very different one; and if you want to find a way to try and change that competative attitude, it's possibly a VERY good one, as it is ALL about discipline and self discipline, and THINKING your way through the obsticles, not brute force and shear balls over ignorance... it MAY be the very thing to find that chance of aproach and attitude....
IF you are looking for such sort of 'suggestions'.
Otherwise; as said; many many forms of bike sport; that needn't be 'so' expensive; A-N-d, if you are serious about making such sort of change... well, that's what you have to step up to, and find one you can afford, or find a way to afford it...
Or carry on as you are, living these fantasies on the road, playing at it, making excuses why you cant be a real contender, hoping to dodge the risks to life and licence along the way, and offering more excuses why a naked road-bike is so much more sensible, or that a Motard makes so much sense, or that green-laning is as good as a propper scramble....
End of the day; as I said at the top; you know the problem; you know the answers.. WHAT do you hope we can tell you? ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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I've got some bad news for you, if you're like me it never goes away, it's a mental thing.
I'm just coming up to 60 now and what you describe is exactly like me. I've done all the things mentioned above - classic bikes, supermoto, tourers, racing, track days, threats from the wife, got 2 kids and grandchildren, even had some pretty bad offs. None of it matters a jot if you put someone on a sportsbike in front of me on the road.
In real life I am seen as a sensible responsible bloke who rides bikes, put me on a bike and I am not.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to kill myself or others and I don't do it all the time now like I used to, but it is still there.
Threats of injury and fines/bans don't work. I never think of kids/wife/grandkids when doing it.
I won't tell you you have to do this or that because it doesn't work, I'll just tell you what I do to reign it in.
Realise you are doing it, which you obviously do and determine to really do something about it.
I started riding socially with a group of people of varying abilities, mainly on a Sunday where any of the above shenanigans will make me look like a knobhead apart from being pointless because they don't want to race. I found I enjoyed it.
I changed my bike from a sportsbike to a 02 plate BMW R1150R. I've been on a Tuono v4, even considered one. In reality its a sportsbike without a fairing. The BMW is surprisingly capable and satisfying to ride, good enough to be at the front of inters on a track day but also satisfying to ride in the manner it was designed for. For me a sportsbike could only be ridden one way.
Nowadays I pick and choose when to do 'it'. Usually on my own where I concentrate more on riding well rather than racing someone. Doing it on the Beemer is exactly the same as on a sportsbike but at a relatively lower speed, not low enough to prevent dead though.
Even so the occasion still pops up when you come up behind someone, they look in the mirror and speed up a bit, so do you. Difference now is I wack them through the corners, then they fuck off on the straights and I go back to trundling along.
This realisation that I can enjoy bikes without being flat out all the time has only come in the last 2-3 years and the more I realise the less I feel inclined to do 'it'.
I hope you find a way because if you just ride one way for one reason you are missing out on quite a bit.
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