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bcfricharde
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: HELP! What to do? Reply with quote

I've reached a point in my riding lifetime where I've got to make a decision.

Fast road rider, qualified advanced, done some track days and loved them but can't afford time or money involved in doing it much...however every time I go out I'm riding way too quickly. I'm going to get caught and locked up or make a mistake and die! I'm a responsible working family man, so I have a lot to lose.

As soon as I'm out I must overtake everything and the road turns into my own racetrack.

I feel guilty when I get back but that doesn't stop me the next time.

It's worse when I'm out with my buddies.

I don't want to quit riding, can't afford to switch to track riding only or switch to a slower bike.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the first to feel like this. Anyone got any advice??
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Offroad riding? Even though you're typically riding slower because of the proximity of the bushes and sharp objects it feels quite fast.
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If killing someone, or leaving your children without a father isn't a deterrent enough, then there's no hope really.
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Re: HELP! What to do? Reply with quote

bcfricharde wrote:
I don't want to.... switch to a slower bike.


Then the situation won't change unless you can make mpg your performance objective.
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MahatmaAndhi wrote:
If killing someone, or leaving your children without a father isn't a deterrent enough, then there's no hope really.


Amen.

My kids have slowed me down loads.
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

As someone who has had 3 bans, the last a 3yr one...

Switch to something slower, saner. Find a different riding style, different bike.

For me, this was no more Supermoto's (back wheel everywhere), Supersports (ton plus everywhere) or drag bikes with plates on (back wheel, ton plus everywhere). I'm looking at an XJR1300 for the next bike, enough poke to be fun, but the upright position doesn't make me instinctively want to cane it like a superbike, and it's not high up like a supermoto so no instinctive back wheel antics.

Going back to a 125 is a fucking ballache of immense proportions, and frustrating as all hell
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I changed how I rode after I had a broken leg
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you cant control yourself on a bike, get another hobby and give up bikes.
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go for a sit-up naked bike ... either you end up with neck/shoulder muscles like a gorilla or you do keep it under the ton.

Open face helmet helps too - even quite small insects and grit particles sting much over 80. Smile
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MahatmaAndhi wrote:
If killing someone, or leaving your children without a father isn't a deterrent enough, then there's no hope really.


I disagree. I've identified the situation I'm in and I'm seeking guidance on how to mitigate the probability of either of those situations occurring.

I'd therefore counter that there is indeed hope.

Thanks to those who've taken the time to post advice.

If you're just here to judge then jog on.
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a slower bike. Under 50bhp and you can still have fun without going stupidly fast.
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

What bike have you got?
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get some life insurance, carry on.
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
What bike have you got?


Tuono V4 (I moved from a blade in the hope this style of bike would help)
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:
I changed how I rode after I had a broken leg


Well there you go then. OP, have you got a sledgehammer and something to bite down on?
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

What help were you expecting from a 150+ bhp bike? Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like time for an older 'classic'. You'll spend more time fettling it than you will riding, plus you won't want to thrash the knackers for fear of bits dropping off. Probably more fun to ride than a modern sportsbike too, in a 'less is more' kind of way...
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Either a classic with poor handling and crap brakes for scaring yourself at less than 1/2 the speed you'd normally ride at. Once you ride a bike with poor brakes, and outbrake yourself a few times you'll soon slow down IMO. Also if you get a classic you might get the bug for tinkering and restos, taking up most of your would be riding time. Also classic bikes generally go up in value not down, so it's money well spent.

Or like others said get into off roading. If you ride too fast in dirt your coming off and though it's much more likey more often, the chances of having a fatal injury as opposed to knocks and bruises are much much lower in most cases.
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

bcfricharde wrote:
I've identified the situation I'm in and I'm seeking guidance on how to mitigate the probability of either of those situations occurring.

I'd therefore counter that there is indeed hope.

Thanks to those who've taken the time to post advice.

If you're just here to judge then jog on.


You're me, 10+ years ago. For me, speed was heroin. It was like an addiction and I remember the smell of fear in my own sweat. Don't know what you could do but I did a few things:

1. Went to one of those Bikesafe things. At the end, they brought out the coppers who talked us through dead bikers. It was pretty good although during the ride one of the coppers pushed me up against a wall. I'd toned my riding down by 25% but even so, it was enough for him to go absolutely apeshit in a hand basket. If you go to the Ace Cafe, ask them who the worst they've ever had was. It was me but I learned from it.

2. Chopped in the blade for something slower but would set me alight in other ways. A hornet could be thrown around all the time and was so much fun.

3. Pride: I needed to always have 'the best' and recognised that other styles of bikes could be the 'best' in different ways. I ride a Triumph 1050 Sprint ST now and it has absolutely rekindled my love of motorbikes. It's raw, visceral and although nowhere near as fast as my blades, it has beautiful handling and makes me want to ride every day.

BMWs make amazing tourers, muscle bikes are amazing etc...

Good luck. If I hadn't slowed down, I'd have been dead or worse and know what you're going through so wish you all the best. It's harder than kicking heroin. Hell, heroin was a doddle.
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Re: HELP! What to do? Reply with quote

bcfricharde wrote:
can't afford to switch to track riding only or switch to a slower bike.

They're you options (other than potatoed or banned) so pick one.
I'd get a different style of bike like an Enduro or dual sport/adventure bike. The upright position changes your outlook on the surroundings.
Or maybe that's just what it did for me....
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

bcfricharde wrote:
I disagree. I've identified the situation I'm in and I'm seeking guidance on how to mitigate the probability of either of those situations occurring.

You know the problem; you know the answer; so what do you expect us to tell you? what do you hope to find?

Its your own lack of self control that's the issue; so there's bog all we can do to help you mitigate it!

What you are looking for on the road, though, thrills exitement, competition and challenge, is NOT what public roads are for; yet you still seek it.....

Track-Days? well, high-speed thrills without the risks, and also without the 'competition'.. just great expense...

Real 'racing' with actual competitors to challenge your game would seem to be what you are looking for on the road....

And where track-days are deemed 'expensive'... which is all relative I know, but.. last one i was invited on was £125 I think... for about four-hours of track time... its not all THAT extortionate... certainly compared to a speeding ticket! Whilst a dedicated track-bike, not demanding road insurance tax or MOT, can offer some significant 'savings' to make one possibly cheaper per saddle hour than a leisure use road bike.. but still...

Presumption that trackdays are too expensive, begs further presumption that club Road-Racing is bound to be even more so, and offer evebn less saddle time for it; whilst being more hassle to comply with added regulations....

That is presumption laded on presumption... likely there's truth behind it; BUT... always been plenty of budget classes in the clubbies, that can be affordeable, like the old Singles series, or Bantam/MZ racing, or the more recent minitwins....

I would hazard that cost of buying something like an old Honda CB500, that's been fettled for mini-twins, and running an entire club-calendar on the thing, 'all in' could work out not a lot different to paying the road-costs of keeping a Sports-600 in the garage and doing limited highrisk road miles on the thing.

But.. I dont 'know' its merely an alternative 'presumption'.... what I do know is that there are an awful lot of different disciplines of bike-sport, and that Road-Racing tends to be one of the most expensive....

Though, that said, a club race is likely to give you a couple of 15 lap heats, Drag Racing perhaps three 1/4 mile 'runs', which could make it significantly worse 'per saddle hour'... but still.

Off-Road has been mentioned; MX & Enduro are still reasonably affordable to get into for propper 'racing'.... and has that speed and genuine competition challenge. There's also kart-track mini bike and pit-bikes.

Personally, I did trials. Have done since a school-boy; so when marriage curtailed my road-biking opportunities, and made costs of keeping 1000cc road-bike T&T'd to have an argument I wanted to go to do a meet with the Lads on a week-end, gauling, I got a bit more seriouse about the trials-bike.

Costs pennies to do, it really does. No medical is required or other major hassles to get set up; You need a bike; a way of hauling it to events... and they are conveniently light enough you can use a bumper-rack, on the back of even a small hatch-back for most; To get your ACU 'Trials' Licence you need join a club and send of a form, and that's usually less than £30; entry fees are then typically around £10 a pop. Add some fuel, and a 20bhp rock-hoppa dont burn much; you can do an event, for probably less than £30 including the petrol to get there!

Spoucal approval was (notionally) attained on the basis that event started at 10am on a Sunday morning and I'd be home for lunch; I'd be out for less time than taking the long way home from work a couple of nights on the road bike.... A-N-D i could ride an entire 12 even 'season' for less money than the insurance on the road-bike....

Its not high-speed adrenaline & testosterone charged 'competition'; elbowing your way through the pack out the trap of a race; its a much more pedestrian mental challenge, you and the course, picking your line, holding your nerve and your balence to get through all the gates without picking up penalties.....

If you want to find that 'change' its a very different one; and if you want to find a way to try and change that competative attitude, it's possibly a VERY good one, as it is ALL about discipline and self discipline, and THINKING your way through the obsticles, not brute force and shear balls over ignorance... it MAY be the very thing to find that chance of aproach and attitude....

IF you are looking for such sort of 'suggestions'.

Otherwise; as said; many many forms of bike sport; that needn't be 'so' expensive; A-N-d, if you are serious about making such sort of change... well, that's what you have to step up to, and find one you can afford, or find a way to afford it...

Or carry on as you are, living these fantasies on the road, playing at it, making excuses why you cant be a real contender, hoping to dodge the risks to life and licence along the way, and offering more excuses why a naked road-bike is so much more sensible, or that a Motard makes so much sense, or that green-laning is as good as a propper scramble....

End of the day; as I said at the top; you know the problem; you know the answers.. WHAT do you hope we can tell you?
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PostPosted: 00:16 - 05 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

bcfricharde wrote:
MahatmaAndhi wrote:
If killing someone, or leaving your children without a father isn't a deterrent enough, then there's no hope really.


I disagree. I've identified the situation I'm in and I'm seeking guidance on how to mitigate the probability of either of those situations occurring.

I'd therefore counter that there is indeed hope.

Thanks to those who've taken the time to post advice.

If you're just here to judge then jog on.


You're acting like you've got a physical addiction. It's mental at best.
Would you go 70mph in a 30 zone with your kids in the back of the car? I sure as shit wouldn't. Even if there's no passenger, imagine if your kids were hit by someone speeding through a residential area. I would want their head.

Even if you hit oil/diesel/ice/whatever and come off on an empty dual carriageway, unless you're made of very stern stuff, you're going to get injured or worse.

And, taking your perhaps even superhuman bike riding abilities out of the equation, there are a lot - a lot! - of shit drivers out there. Ones who can't see you or even care if they do.

I've made some serious lifestyle choices since becoming a father. The children are all the incentive you should ever need to kick any habit - mental or physical.
I lost my dad when I was 27 because he made shit choices. My kids will never know their grandad and it hurts like hell when they ask about him. All it takes is one idiot (the rider or a third party) and you're toast.

I'm judgemental because I'm also a dad. I ride like a pensioner because I'm also a dad. It'd be nice for your kids to grow up with a dad too.
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PostPosted: 08:55 - 05 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got some bad news for you, if you're like me it never goes away, it's a mental thing.
I'm just coming up to 60 now and what you describe is exactly like me. I've done all the things mentioned above - classic bikes, supermoto, tourers, racing, track days, threats from the wife, got 2 kids and grandchildren, even had some pretty bad offs. None of it matters a jot if you put someone on a sportsbike in front of me on the road.
In real life I am seen as a sensible responsible bloke who rides bikes, put me on a bike and I am not.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to kill myself or others and I don't do it all the time now like I used to, but it is still there.
Threats of injury and fines/bans don't work. I never think of kids/wife/grandkids when doing it.
I won't tell you you have to do this or that because it doesn't work, I'll just tell you what I do to reign it in.
Realise you are doing it, which you obviously do and determine to really do something about it.
I started riding socially with a group of people of varying abilities, mainly on a Sunday where any of the above shenanigans will make me look like a knobhead apart from being pointless because they don't want to race. I found I enjoyed it.
I changed my bike from a sportsbike to a 02 plate BMW R1150R. I've been on a Tuono v4, even considered one. In reality its a sportsbike without a fairing. The BMW is surprisingly capable and satisfying to ride, good enough to be at the front of inters on a track day but also satisfying to ride in the manner it was designed for. For me a sportsbike could only be ridden one way.
Nowadays I pick and choose when to do 'it'. Usually on my own where I concentrate more on riding well rather than racing someone. Doing it on the Beemer is exactly the same as on a sportsbike but at a relatively lower speed, not low enough to prevent dead though.
Even so the occasion still pops up when you come up behind someone, they look in the mirror and speed up a bit, so do you. Difference now is I wack them through the corners, then they fuck off on the straights and I go back to trundling along.
This realisation that I can enjoy bikes without being flat out all the time has only come in the last 2-3 years and the more I realise the less I feel inclined to do 'it'.
I hope you find a way because if you just ride one way for one reason you are missing out on quite a bit.

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PostPosted: 09:17 - 05 Oct 2016    Post subject: Re: HELP! What to do? Reply with quote

bcfricharde wrote:
can't afford to switch to [...] a slower bike.

But you can afford to lose license, liberty, limbs or life?

Claiming that you can't change your bike shows that you haven't changed your attitude, which is why you need to change your bike.
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