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PostPosted: 13:21 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Will the depressed pound equal price hikes for bikes? Reply with quote

In the great depression/bankers folly of 2008 one of the consequences was a real change in the value of the pound to the euro. A knock on effect was a glut of Europeans coming over here and snapping up cheap (to them) bikes, both new and used. The price of new bikes rose sharply around 2010 to compensate for the change in the pound.

Must be a possibility again with the whole Brexit deal affecting the value of the pound so significantly.

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PostPosted: 13:29 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't see how it won't.

Long term, we might see a change in import duty on bikes.

Not necessarily for the better.

Euro4-bollocks is going to be a boot in the wallet as well.

I'm surprised that prices haven't shot up yet, but given how much got lopped off the sticker price of the ER6 and SFV650 when the MT-07 came out and undercut them, perhaps there's far more fat to trim from new bike prices than dealers like to claim.
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's already having a noticeable effect if you buy parts etc from abroad Sad I'm already seeing price increases of stuff I look to import, of around 10-15%.
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which is why I jumped in quick and bought new this year. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Euro4-bollocks is going to be a boot in the wallet as well.


Although we'll be able to get asian/yank models instead of euro compliant.
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

SophR so good wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
Euro4-bollocks is going to be a boot in the wallet as well.

Although we'll be able to get asian/yank models instead of euro compliant.

Potentially and eventually. Powerful lot of of inertia in Whitehall, and the ecomentalist lobby will doubtless be bawwing for us to go further and faster than Brussels.
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

not any more than usual at Ducati

some haven't gone up at all (m821), biggest rise £400
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Source?
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

SophR so good wrote:
Although we'll be able to get asian/yank models instead of euro compliant.


Don't hold your breath!

Unfortunately, I can't see any emissions based legislation, european or otherwise, being ignored, because, as everyone knows, its prime purpose is revenue stream rather than concerns about pollution!
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a trade in that should go up too - so in that scenario you won't be much worse off.
As above the less avoidable costs are spares and consumable items.
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suntan Sid wrote:
SophR so good wrote:
Although we'll be able to get asian/yank models instead of euro compliant.


Don't hold your breath!

Unfortunately, I can't see any emissions based legislation, european or otherwise, being ignored, because, as everyone knows, its prime purpose is revenue stream rather than concerns about pollution!


Depends who puts in the biggest bribe doesn't it?? Wink
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 04 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

SophR so good wrote:
Although we'll be able to get asian/yank models instead of euro compliant.


One of the yam 125s (bike not scooter... YBR I think) that's sells here for £4k+ is sold in Asia for £1.5k.
So I can't see prices here dropping even if our parliament does forget the 'green' agenda.
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PostPosted: 00:00 - 05 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

SophR so good wrote:
Depends who puts in the biggest bribe doesn't it?? Wink


The 'think of the children' vote is quite substantial so I can't see anyone offering a bribe big enough...
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 05 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just done a bit of digging:

Original Yamaha R1 RRP £9,200 stayed the same for nigh on 10 years, 2007 R1 was actually less at £9,000! then the crash and the progressive rise, 2009 - 20011 was £10k then 2012 went up to £12k, finally the current R1 is 15k.

So in the first 10 years there was no inflation of the RRP, in the following period the price is over half again as much.

Now i accept that the current R1 is more of a revolution than an evolution and you explains a lot of the price increase. Maybe the change in price is a fairer reflection? After all i can't think of many things that stay the same price for 10 or more years? (disregarding things that don't receive updates and development).
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 05 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

First R1's were by today's and the period standards a Billy bargain. Remember that for the first 2-3years of R1 there were still parallel dealers with big ads in all the press of the time. I think the cheapest new European spec R1 I remember seeing was about 8800 otr. You'd have just about got a new Blade for 8grand dead, maybe hundred quid or so less, and I think ZX9R's were 8300 ish.

The boring bastards like me that are stuck in the 1985-2005 era never saw better bargains and so much bike for such reasonable cash. The thing is I look at an immaculate 5000mile ZX9R that's clean, fast and capable, and I don't see where the real big progress or leap in performance and handling is with your £15-16k R1's and BMW's of today?

The idiots behind the handlebars havnt got any faster, quicker reacting, safer or more intelligent, so why would they be better on a £15k bike?
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 05 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

matlow wrote:
Original Yamaha R1 ..... Maybe the change in price is a fairer reflection?

It's possible.
But it's equally possible that they made such a profit on it originally that they didn't need to increase the price, especially as they probably (not a certainty!) also reduced their own costs by outsourcing etc...

The big bike companies make good money from selling in Europe (or they couldn't afford the 'works' teams in motorsport ) but they don't do it on every model, which is where it gets difficult to judge future pricing.
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 05 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
The boring bastards like me that are stuck in the 1985-2005 era never saw better bargains and so much bike for such reasonable cash.


We've been through this before. Inflation is a thing. Deal with it.

£8800 in 1998 is equivalent to £14,500 today. The only anomaly is that motorcycle prices resisted inflationary pressure between the late 90s and ~2008/9, mainly because of a strong Pound (cheap imports). Which is exactly what we don't have now, and haven't really had (in any sustained manner) since 2008. So, the price is the price, and it's on trend, long term. There is no conspiracy to milk the customer.

That aside, the R1 in particular has moved up market. Yamaha want to compete with Ducati, not Suzuki or Kawasaki, or even Honda. The R1 has always been a premium product, but that's probably truer than ever, and there's an awful lot of R&D to recoup.

stevo as b4 wrote:
The thing is I look at an immaculate 5000mile ZX9R that's clean, fast and capable, and I don't see where the real big progress or leap in performance and handling is with your £15-16k R1's and BMW's of today?


You might think that. Which have you owned to inform that conclusion?

I've covered many thousands of miles on 90s Fireblades, and more recently on the 15/16 R1. I've also owned and ridden a variety of machinery inbetween. Every bike has it's own character, and the old bikes are still highly capable. But the latest generation of superbikes (particularly the S1000RR, R1, 1299, RSV4) are many times more capable still, and offer a completely different experience (road or track). Whether that difference is for better or worse is a subjective matter. But whatever your view, there have been very significant generational advances, and it really isn't the same thing.
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 05 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex A wrote:
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new price list, 01/10/2016
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 05 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Link?

Does it cover 2017 models (many of which will be updated to meet Euro4)?
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 06 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theresa May the other day repealed the Euro Act which makes all the euro laws void. The approach that they have taken though is to bring everything across and write it in the UK laws. Therefore all euro4 and euro5 bollocks would still apply, until they decide that they want to change it. I agree with Roger and I guess is that they will change it (eventually) unfavourably, possibly speeding up the clean energy revolution. It also wouldn't surprise me if they boycotted the euro regs and made their own more expensive version which basically shut motorcycle dealers out of the UK entirely.
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 06 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

el_oso wrote:
Theresa May the other day repealed the Euro Act which makes all the euro laws void.

Wut? Laughing

She announced an intention to introduce a bill which should repeal the 1972 Act, at some point. I very much doubt that it'll get through both houses.
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 06 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:

The idiots behind the handlebars havn`t got any faster, quicker reacting, safer or more intelligent, so why would they be better on a £15k bike?



conspicuous consumption Wink

go to hartside café june-july & august and watch the plebs play & pose .. all about image amongst their peers..

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